Huseby, Inc.
 

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          1                   UNITED STATES DISTRICT COURT

 

          2            FOR THE WESTERN DISTRICT OF NORTH CAROLINA

 

          3                        CHARLOTTE DIVISION

 

          4

               UNITED STATES OF AMERICA,    )

          5                                 )

                                            )

          6            vs.                  )  File No. 3:97CR23-P

                                            )

          7    AQUILIA MARCIVICCI BARNETTE, )  SENTENCING PHASE

                                            )

          8            Defendant.           )

                                            )

          9

 

         10

 

         11                 Transcript of proceedings before the Honorable

 

         12    ROBERT D. POTTER, Senior United States District Court Judge,

 

         13    before Scott A. Huseby, Official Court Reporter and Notary

 

         14    Public, on the 5th day of February, 1998.

 

         15    APPEARANCES:

 

         16    For the United States:

 

         17       ROBERT J. CONRAD, JR.

                  THOMAS G. WALKER

         18       Assistant United States Attorneys

                  227 West Trade Street, Suite 1700

         19       Charlotte, North Carolina  28204

 

         20    On Behalf of the Defendant:

 

         21       GEORGE V. LAUGHRUN, Esq.

                  Suite 602

         22       301 South McDowell Street

                  Charlotte, North Carolina  28204

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         24

 

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          1    APPEARANCES: (Continued)

                  PAUL J. WILLIAMS, Esq.

          2       Suite 801

                  301 South McDowell Street

          3       Charlotte, North Carolina  28204

 

          4

 

          5                              ---

 

          6            THE COURT:  I believe we're here this morning on a

 

          7    motion in limine filed by the defendants this morning to the

 

          8    effect that the PCL-R test has not been sufficiently

 

          9    standardized to the black population based on recognized

 

         10    literature and has not been sufficient standardized on the

 

         11    institution population or sufficiently standardized in the

 

         12    population post middle age.  All right, Mr. Laughrun or

 

         13    Mr. Williams, you want to speak to that?

 

         14            MR. WILLIAMS:  Yes, Your Honor.  I would like to present

 

         15    on this motion brief testimony from Dr. Cunningham with regard

 

         16    to that motion, will be very brief.  I mean, I can argue it, but

 

         17    I can tell you that if Dr. Cunningham were to testify --

 

         18            THE COURT:  Let's go ahead and argue it.

 

         19            MR. WILLIAMS:  He would testify that he has written two

 

         20    articles that have both been peer reviewed by the professionals

 

         21    in his group of professionals, the American Psychological

 

         22    Association.  Both of the articles refer to, one in particular

 

         23    was written by Salekin, S-A-L-E-K-I-N, Rogers and Sewell,

 

         24    S-E-W-E-L-L, of the University of North Texas.  There was an

 

         25    article written --

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1            THE COURT:  Well, just tell me what the articles say,

 

          2    let's don't worry about when they were written.  We have got a

 

          3    short time, Mr. Williams, we have a short time.  I don't have

 

          4    juries come up here 50 or 60 miles and sit here and wait while

 

          5    we argue.

 

          6            MR. WILLIAMS:  The article says, Your Honor, that it's

 

          7    not been standardized, that the PCL-R test has not been

 

          8    standardized for blacks, it has only been used with regard to

 

          9    whites and generally in a white population.  It has not been

 

         10    standardized, substantially standardized for blacks or in a

 

         11    prison population.  And we argue, therefore, that it's an

 

         12    improper test.  You will note that none of the other experts

 

         13    used it.

 

         14            THE COURT:  Is that all you have, what Dr. Cunningham

 

         15    has written two articles on, is that what you have?

 

         16            MR. WILLIAMS:  Yes.

 

         17            THE COURT:  What does the government say about this?

 

         18            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, that's all proper stuff for

 

         19    cross-examination as this is testing that's reasonably relied

 

         20    upon in the field.  Dr. Duncan relied upon it.  He was able to

 

         21    testify to it.  It's relevant to the testimony they put on

 

         22    yesterday that we have to rebut about future violence.

 

         23            THE COURT:  All right, motion is denied.  Call the jury.

 

         24            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Judge, one other thing, too.

 

         25    Dr. Cunningham is here.  We may want to --

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1            THE COURT:  Well --

 

          2            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Judge, if you'll hear me a minute,

 

          3    please, we are early.  He may testify at surrebuttal.  We want

 

          4    to make sure --

 

          5            THE COURT:  You have already, I think -- I believe you

 

          6    said you rested yesterday.  Are you going to rest in front of

 

          7    the jury this morning?

 

          8            MR. LAUGHRUN:  That's what I'm saying, Judge.  We are

 

          9    resting in front of the jury.  Just hear me out if you would,

 

         10    please.  We were going to rest in front of the jury.  We want to

 

         11    make sure it's okay he stays in the courtroom in case we want to

 

         12    offer surrebuttal to the government's rebuttal.  We have a right

 

         13    to offer surrebuttal.

 

         14            MR. CONRAD:  Stay in the courtroom?

 

         15            MR. LAUGHRUN:  That's why we bring it up now, Judge.

 

         16            THE COURT:  You wouldn't let their -- you didn't want

 

         17    their experts to stay in the courtroom.

 

         18            MR. LAUGHRUN:  He has already testified.

 

         19            THE COURT:  He cannot stay in the courtroom.

 

         20            MR. LAUGHRUN:  That's fine, that's why we bring it up

 

         21    now, Judge.

 

         22            THE COURT:  Call the jury.

 

         23            (The jury returned to the courtroom.)

 

         24            THE COURT:  Good morning, ladies and gentlemen.  I

 

         25    believe at this time, the defendant is ready to rest, is that

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    right, Mr. Laughrun?

 

          2            MR. LAUGHRUN:  That's correct, Judge Potter, thank you.

 

          3            THE COURT:  Defendant rests, and you've already checked

 

          4    all of your exhibits and are certain that they're in evidence.

 

          5            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Yes, sir.

 

          6            THE COURT:  All right.

 

          7            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Thank you, Your Honor.

 

          8            THE COURT:  Government call its first witness.

 

          9            MR. WALKER:  Thank you, Your Honor.  The government

 

         10    would call Brian Ard, if I may go back and retrieve him.

 

         11                               BRIAN ARD,

 

         12    being first duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:

 

         13                       REBUTTAL DIRECT EXAMINATION

 

         14            BY MR. WALKER:

 

         15       Q.   Sir, will you state your full name for the jury?

 

         16       A.   My name is Brian Ard.

 

         17       Q.   Mr. Ard, what is your current occupation?

 

         18       A.   I'm an assistant manager of The Disney Store in Roanoke,

 

         19    Virginia.

 

         20       Q.   Prior to being the assistant manager of The Disney Store

 

         21    in Roanoke, Virginia, what did you do for a living?

 

         22       A.   I was the store manager at Camelot Music.

 

         23       Q.   How long did you work as -- how long did you work for

 

         24    Camelot Music store there in Roanoke?

 

         25       A.   In Roanoke, I worked for a little over four years, and

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    previously I worked for three years for them in Atlanta.

 

          2       Q.   What were your responsibilities and general duties as a

 

          3    store manager of the Camelot Music store?

 

          4       A.   Basically just the day-to-day operations of running the

 

          5    store, watching the inventory, hiring and training and just

 

          6    general upkeep duties.

 

          7       Q.   Do you know the defendant in this case, Mark Barnette?

 

          8       A.   Yes, I do.

 

          9       Q.   How do you know the defendant in this case?

 

         10       A.   I hired him to work for me at Camelot Music.

 

         11       Q.   Did you interview the defendant before you hired him to

 

         12    work for you?

 

         13       A.   Yes, I did.  I interviewed him I believe in March, and

 

         14    he --

 

         15       Q.   Let me ask you some questions about the interview

 

         16    process before I ask you about him in particular.  What does the

 

         17    interview process entail?

 

         18       A.   The applicants turn in applications and then we call

 

         19    back based on the type of experience they have.  And then I

 

         20    usually take them to a section in the mall and talk about what

 

         21    their aspirations are and their qualifications and any

 

         22    particular reasons they may want to work for me there.

 

         23       Q.   And did you go through those steps with Mark Barnette,

 

         24    the defendant in the case?

 

         25       A.   Yes, I did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       Q.   And you eventually hired him, is that right?

 

          2       A.   Yes, I did.

 

          3       Q.   What did you -- when you initially hired the defendant,

 

          4    in what capacity was he hired?

 

          5       A.   He was hired as a regular associate, which is a

 

          6    part-time position working on stock, cashiering and other

 

          7    duties.

 

          8       Q.   When you met with the defendant to interview him, what

 

          9    was your impression of him?

 

         10       A.   He was a very bright young man.  He was -- it was the

 

         11    best interview I had ever had.  He was very bright.  He was very

 

         12    particular about what his goals are, what he wanted to do in his

 

         13    life, the type of work he wanted to be in.  He answered every

 

         14    question the way it was supposed to be answered.  He did all of

 

         15    the talking, which is one of the best signs of any interview.

 

         16       Q.   Did he appear to be a self-confident person to you?

 

         17       A.   He was very confident.

 

         18       Q.   Pursuant to that interview --

 

         19            MR. WALKER:  May I approach the witness, Your Honor?

 

         20            THE COURT:  Yes, sir.

 

         21            BY MR. WALKER:

 

         22       Q.   Mr. Ard, pursuant to that interview, let me show you a

 

         23    Camelot Music form for employment that the defendant filled out

 

         24    in the case, it's already into evidence.  Let me refer your

 

         25    attention to some of the questions which you ask your potential

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    employees.  Are your potential employees ever asked whether they

 

          2    have any prior convictions?

 

          3       A.   Yes, they are.

 

          4       Q.   And was the defendant asked that on his particular

 

          5    application?

 

          6       A.   Yes, he was.

 

          7       Q.   And how did he respond to that question?

 

          8       A.   He checked the no box.

 

          9       Q.   Would you have hired the defendant if you had known at

 

         10    the time that he was a convicted felon?

 

         11            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Objection.

 

         12            THE COURT:  Overruled.

 

         13            THE WITNESS:  No, I don't believe I would have.

 

         14            BY MR. WALKER:

 

         15       Q.   The whole time that he was working for you, did he ever

 

         16    tell you that he was a convicted felon?

 

         17       A.   No, he didn't.

 

         18       Q.   Did he ever tell you that he was on probation in the

 

         19    State of North Carolina?

 

         20       A.   No, he didn't.

 

         21       Q.   Did you ever learn the whole time that he worked for you

 

         22    that he was a convicted felon?

 

         23       A.   No, I didn't.

 

         24       Q.   Would you explain to the members of the jury -- did

 

         25    there come a time when his employment with Camelot Music ended?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       A.   Yes, it ended in January of '96.

 

          2       Q.   Will you tell the members of the jury how that -- were

 

          3    you the still the store manager when that occurred?

 

          4       A.   Yes, I was.

 

          5       Q.   Did you play a role in the termination of his

 

          6    employment?

 

          7       A.   Yes, I did.

 

          8       Q.   Would you tell the members of the jury what happened?

 

          9            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Objection, would like to be heard at the

 

         10    bench briefly.

 

         11            THE COURT:  Come on up.

 

         12            (Bench conference not recorded.)

 

         13            THE COURT:  Objection is overruled.

 

         14            BY MR. WALKER:

 

         15       Q.   Mr. Ard, if you would, indicate to the members of the

 

         16    jury what steps you took and what happened when the defendant's

 

         17    employment was terminated.

 

         18       A.   Okay, one night I had an employee call me.  Her name was

 

         19    Renee Wergan.

 

         20            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Objection to what --

 

         21            THE COURT:  Sustained as to what an employee told you.

 

         22    As a result of the conversation with the employee, he did what.

 

         23            BY MR. WALKER:

 

         24       Q.   As a result of that conversation -- well, who was Renee

 

         25    Wergan, who was she?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       A.   She was an employee of the store.

 

          2       Q.   Was she working there at the same time the defendant was

 

          3    working there?

 

          4       A.   Yes, she was.

 

          5       Q.   And she called you at home?

 

          6       A.   Yes.

 

          7       Q.   Based on what she told you, what did you do?

 

          8       A.   I -- that night?

 

          9       Q.   Yeah, just tell the jury what happened after you had

 

         10    this conversation.

 

         11       A.   I made some phone calls to decide whether or not

 

         12    something had happened.  I called another employee there to look

 

         13    into whether or not he had committed sexual harassment at the

 

         14    store.

 

         15       Q.   Did you talk to various employees when you conducted

 

         16    that investigation?

 

         17       A.   Yes, I did.  That night I talked to one other employee,

 

         18    but throughout the next week I talked to all of the employees at

 

         19    the store.

 

         20       Q.   Who was the employee, the additional employee that you

 

         21    talked to that first night?

 

         22       A.   Joanna Baldwin.

 

         23       Q.   Was she also working at the store?

 

         24       A.   Yes, she was.

 

         25       Q.   After you talked to Joanna Baldwin that night, what

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    other steps did you take in your investigation?

 

          2       A.   The next day, I brought Mark into the office in the back

 

          3    there and told him what had come to light and what he was being

 

          4    accused of.

 

          5       Q.   What did you tell him, tell the jury what you told the

 

          6    defendant.

 

          7       A.   I asked him whether or not it was true as to whether or

 

          8    not he had actually touched the two female employees on their

 

          9    behinds, and he admitted that he had but that it was in a joking

 

         10    manner, a jesting manner.  And when he had admitted to that, I

 

         11    told him that I needed to do an investigation because he was

 

         12    possibly going to be investigated for sexual harassment.  When I

 

         13    told him this -- when I told him that he was being accused of

 

         14    this, he got upset and started to cry and he said he wanted to

 

         15    go home at that point.  So I let him go home, I let him out the

 

         16    back door, and then I started my investigation as to talking to

 

         17    each employee, one at a time, one on one.  And I also asked

 

         18    Joanna and Renee to write statements on what had happened

 

         19    regarding the sexual harassment issue.  We --

 

         20       Q.   At what, let me ask you a question, at what point when

 

         21    you were talking with the defendant about the allegations, at

 

         22    what point in particular did he start to cry?

 

         23       A.   Well, I just -- when he admitted to doing it and really

 

         24    when the accusations came to light and I mentioned that these

 

         25    were accusations, that's when he started to cry.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       Q.   What did he say, if anything?

 

          2       A.   He said, this isn't fair, this isn't fair.  He said, I

 

          3    want to go home.

 

          4       Q.   Is that when he started to cry?

 

          5       A.   Yes.

 

          6            MR. WALKER:  May I have just a moment, Your Honor?

 

          7            THE COURT:  Yes.

 

          8            MR. WALKER:  Judge, I don't have any other questions of

 

          9    Mr. Ard.

 

         10            THE COURT:  Cross?

 

         11                       REBUTTAL CROSS-EXAMINATION

 

         12            BY MR. LAUGHRUN:

 

         13       Q.   Good morning, Brian.  You and I know each other, do we

 

         14    not?

 

         15       A.   Yes, we do.

 

         16       Q.   We met in Roanoke the day after Christmas, I think, is

 

         17    that right?

 

         18       A.   Correct.

 

         19       Q.   Kind enough to meet me after work on probably one of the

 

         20    busiest shopping days, is that right?

 

         21       A.   That's correct.

 

         22       Q.   Let me ask you a few questions.  When you hired Mark,

 

         23    what type of worker was he?

 

         24       A.   He was an excellent worker.

 

         25       Q.   Good with customers?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       A.   He was an excellent salesman, he was very good with

 

          2    customers.

 

          3       Q.   Knew the product?

 

          4       A.   Beg your pardon?

 

          5       Q.   Knew the product?

 

          6       A.   He was astounding in product knowledge.

 

          7       Q.   Only African-American working in the store, is that

 

          8    right?

 

          9       A.   I beg your pardon?

 

         10       Q.   Only African-American working in the store at that time,

 

         11    is that right, was Mark?

 

         12       A.   I believe so.

 

         13            MR. CONRAD:  Objection, relevance.

 

         14            BY MR. LAUGHRUN:

 

         15       Q.   Now, no problems with the cash drawer being short?

 

         16       A.   Never.

 

         17       Q.   Under Mark's term there?

 

         18       A.   Never.

 

         19       Q.   Honest employee?

 

         20       A.   He was an honest employee.

 

         21       Q.   No product with products being -- CD's, tapes, cassettes

 

         22    being missing or anything, was there?

 

         23       A.   Huh-uh.

 

         24       Q.   Okay.  Now, let me show you a couple photographs, and I

 

         25    think you and I went over these in December.  Let me show them

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    to you.

 

          2            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Approach the witness, Your Honor?

 

          3            THE COURT:  Yes, sir.

 

          4            BY MR. LAUGHRUN:

 

          5       Q.   Brian, I'm going to show you what I've marked as

 

          6    Defendant's Exhibits 60, 61 and 62, and ask if you saw those in

 

          7    December when you and I met up in Roanoke?

 

          8       A.   Yes, I did.

 

          9       Q.   The first picture is you and Joanna, is that right?

 

         10       A.   Correct.

 

         11       Q.   King of horsing around, is that correct?

 

         12       A.   Uh-huh.

 

         13       Q.   The next picture at the bottom left is a picture of

 

         14    Joanna, is that right?

 

         15       A.   Correct.

 

         16       Q.   And the one in the middle is you at the office, is that

 

         17    right?

 

         18       A.   That's right.

 

         19       Q.   And there's a picture there on the wall.  Did Mark use

 

         20    that desk also?

 

         21       A.   Yes, he did.

 

         22       Q.   Who is that a picture of?

 

         23       A.   That's a picture of his two children, little Mark and, I

 

         24    believe her name was Angeline.

 

         25       Q.   Angelica?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       A.   Angelica.

 

          2       Q.   And that's a picture on the wall that was at Mark's

 

          3    desk, is that right?

 

          4       A.   Correct.

 

          5       Q.   Now, when he applied for a job at the Saturn dealer, you

 

          6    got a call about that, didn't you?

 

          7       A.   Yes, I did.

 

          8       Q.   Gave him an excellent reference, didn't you?

 

          9       A.   Yes, I did.

 

         10       Q.   He got promoted, didn't he, Brian, from sales to

 

         11    assistant manager?

 

         12       A.   To assistant manager, that's correct.

 

         13            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Thank you, sir.  That's all, Your Honor.

 

         14            MR. WALKER:  Just briefly.

 

         15                      REBUTTAL REDIRECT EXAMINATION

 

         16            BY MR. WALKER:

 

         17       Q.   Mr. Ard, would you have given that recommendation for

 

         18    the defendant if you had known that he was a convicted felon?

 

         19       A.   I don't think so.

 

         20       Q.   And you indicated -- did he ever tell you that he had

 

         21    been convicted of felonious cruelty to children, did he ever

 

         22    tell you that?

 

         23       A.   No, he did not.

 

         24       Q.   You referred to him as an honest employee.  Did he ever

 

         25    volunteer to you that he was on probation in North Carolina and

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    not supposed to move out of the State of North Carolina?

 

          2       A.   No, he didn't.

 

          3       Q.   Pardon me?

 

          4       A.   No, he did not.

 

          5            MR. WALKER:  I don't have any other questions, Your

 

          6    Honor.

 

          7            THE COURT:  All right, call your next witness.  Step

 

          8    down, thank you, sir.

 

          9            Members of the jury, I neglected to ask you again this

 

         10    morning the standard question, have you seen, heard or read

 

         11    anything about this case overnight?

 

         12            (Jurors shake heads.)

 

         13            THE COURT:  Nobody tried to talk to you about the case?

 

         14            (Jurors shake heads.)

 

         15            THE COURT:  Have you discussed it with anyone else?

 

         16            (Jurors shake heads.)

 

         17            THE COURT:  You all indicate you have not, you answered

 

         18    no to all of those questions.

 

         19            One other thing, of course, the defendant has rested his

 

         20    case.  This is rebuttal by the government.  I neglected to tell

 

         21    you that, too.  I was thinking about something else when y'all

 

         22    came in.  Call your next witness.

 

         23            MR. WALKER:  Your Honor, the government would call

 

         24    Shirley Williams.

 

         25                        SHIRLEY DENISE WILLIAMS,

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    being first duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:

 

          2                       REBUTTAL DIRECT EXAMINATION

 

          3            BY MR. WALKER:

 

          4       Q.   Ma'am, if you would speak up and tell the members of the

 

          5    jury what your full name is.

 

          6       A.   Shirley Denise Williams.

 

          7       Q.   And Ms. Williams, how old are you at the present time?

 

          8       A.   I'm 19 years old.

 

          9       Q.   Ms. Williams, do you currently live in Roanoke,

 

         10    Virginia?

 

         11       A.   Yes, I do.

 

         12       Q.   Have you lived there your whole life?

 

         13       A.   Yes.

 

         14       Q.   Do you know the defendant in this case, Mark Barnette?

 

         15       A.   Yes, I do.

 

         16       Q.   I want to take your attention back to when you first met

 

         17    the defendant.  Were you in Roanoke, Virginia when you first met

 

         18    the defendant?

 

         19       A.   Yes.

 

         20       Q.   Will you tell the members of the jury the circumstances

 

         21    or how that happened, where you were when you first met the

 

         22    defendant?

 

         23       A.   I was in Valley View Mall and I walked into Camelot

 

         24    Music where he was employed.  And I was looking inside the

 

         25    gospel area looking for a particular CD or whatever, and he came

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    over to help me find what I was looking for.  And we started to

 

          2    talk about gospel music and church, and our conversation led to

 

          3    me not having a job and I left with an application.

 

          4       Q.   How old were you at the time when you first met the

 

          5    defendant?

 

          6       A.   I was 16.

 

          7       Q.   You say you talked about church with the defendant?

 

          8       A.   Right.

 

          9       Q.   Did there come a time -- and then you left with an

 

         10    application for employment?

 

         11       A.   (Witness nods head.)

 

         12       Q.   Did you ever come back with the application for

 

         13    employment completed?

 

         14       A.   Yes.

 

         15       Q.   How much longer after or how much later was that from

 

         16    when you first met the defendant?

 

         17       A.   Within weeks, I can't remember.

 

         18       Q.   Okay.  Did you get hired there at Camelot Music?

 

         19       A.   Yes, I did.

 

         20       Q.   And was the defendant still working there at the time

 

         21    you were working there?

 

         22       A.   Yes, he was.

 

         23       Q.   Tell the members of the jury what your relationship was

 

         24    with the defendant during working hours there at Camelot Music

 

         25    store?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       A.   It was on a business level.

 

          2       Q.   Tell the members of the jury the nature of your

 

          3    relationship with him outside of business.

 

          4            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Objection to the relevance again.

 

          5            THE COURT:  Overruled.

 

          6            BY MR. WALKER:

 

          7       Q.   You can answer the question.

 

          8       A.   I went to his house twice and we had sex once.

 

          9       Q.   I want to ask you about that.  When you say you went to

 

         10    his house, where was that located there in Roanoke?

 

         11       A.   Keswick.

 

         12       Q.   Keswick Apartments?

 

         13       A.   Uh-huh.

 

         14       Q.   And you say you went to Keswick Apartments two times?

 

         15       A.   Yes.

 

         16       Q.   And you had sex with the defendant inside the Keswick

 

         17    apartment?

 

         18       A.   Yes.

 

         19       Q.   Did the defendant ever tell you that he had a girlfriend

 

         20    named Robin Williams living there at his apartment with him?

 

         21       A.   Yes, he did.

 

         22       Q.   When did he tell you that?

 

         23       A.   (Shakes head.)

 

         24       Q.   You don't remember?

 

         25       A.   No, I don't.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1            MR. WALKER:  Judge, I don't have any other questions for

 

          2    her.

 

          3            THE COURT:  Cross?

 

          4                       REBUTTAL CROSS-EXAMINATION

 

          5            BY MR. LAUGHRUN:

 

          6       Q.   Ms. Williams, what kind of employee was he at Camelot?

 

          7       A.   He was a manager at the time.

 

          8       Q.   Was he a good manager?

 

          9       A.   Yes.

 

         10       Q.   You and I have never talked, have we?

 

         11       A.   No.

 

         12       Q.   Was he a hard worker?

 

         13       A.   Yes.

 

         14       Q.   Didn't harass you at work?

 

         15       A.   No.

 

         16       Q.   I believe you told Mr. Walker you had a businesslike

 

         17    relationship at work, is that right?

 

         18       A.   Yes.

 

         19       Q.   Nothing inappropriate?

 

         20       A.   No.

 

         21            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Thank you, Judge, that's all.

 

         22            MR. WALKER:  Just briefly, Your Honor.

 

         23                      REBUTTAL REDIRECT EXAMINATION

 

         24            BY MR. WALKER:

 

         25       Q.   How would you describe the defendant's personality when

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          899

 

 

          1    you knew him up in Roanoke?

 

          2       A.   He was an outgoing person, calm, cool, collect, I

 

          3    mean --

 

          4            MR. WALKER:  I don't have any other questions, Your

 

          5    Honor.

 

          6            THE COURT:  Thank you, ma'am, come down.  Call your next

 

          7    witness.  Thank you, you may step down.

 

          8            MR. WALKER:  Your Honor, the government calls Joanna

 

          9    Baldwin.

 

         10                          JOANNA PAIGE BALDWIN,

 

         11    being first duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:

 

         12                           DIRECT EXAMINATION

 

         13            BY MR. WALKER:

 

         14       Q.   Ma'am, would you state your full name?

 

         15       A.   Joanna Paige Baldwin.

 

         16       Q.   And Ms. Baldwin, how old are you at the present time?

 

         17       A.   22.

 

         18       Q.   Where do you live?

 

         19       A.   Salem, Virginia.

 

         20       Q.   How far is Salem, Virginia from Roanoke, Virginia?

 

         21       A.   Four miles.

 

         22       Q.   What do you do for a living there, or are you a student

 

         23    in Virginia?

 

         24       A.   Uh-huh, I'm a senior at Roanoke College.

 

         25       Q.   In the past, have you worked at the Camelot Music store

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          900

 

 

          1    in Roanoke, Virginia?

 

          2       A.   Yes.

 

          3       Q.   How long did you work there, do you recall?

 

          4       A.   I worked there from July 28th, '95 until the second week

 

          5    of January last year.

 

          6       Q.   When you worked there, did you meet the defendant in

 

          7    this case, Mark Barnette?

 

          8       A.   Yes.

 

          9       Q.   Did you interact with the defendant while you were

 

         10    working there?

 

         11       A.   All the time; he was assistant manager.

 

         12       Q.   What was -- tell the members of the jury anything that

 

         13    you remember about what he would say to you when you were an

 

         14    employee at the Camelot Music store.

 

         15            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Objection again to the relevance.

 

         16            THE COURT:  Overruled.

 

         17            MR. WALKER:  You can answer the question.

 

         18            THE WITNESS:  Okay.  Mark was a very flirtatious person

 

         19    overall.  When I first met him, he would ask me to go with him

 

         20    to Applebee's for drinks.  And it started out with comments

 

         21    about dress and that type of thing, and then it progressed from

 

         22    there.

 

         23            BY MR. WALKER:

 

         24       Q.   Tell the members of the jury what he would say to you.

 

         25       A.   At first he would just ask me to go out with him or he

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          901

 

 

          1    would make comments about my body, that type of thing.  Towards

 

          2    the end, it became more lewd and crude.  Like I said, it

 

          3    progressed through the months.  Just before he left Camelot, he

 

          4    would make lots of lewd sexual comments.  The worst case, he

 

          5    told me that he wanted to put -- I needed to have --

 

          6            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Objection, would like to be heard.

 

          7            THE COURT:  Come on up and be heard.

 

          8            (Bench conference not recorded.)

 

          9            THE COURT:  Objection overruled.

 

         10            BY MR. WALKER:

 

         11       Q.   Ms. Baldwin, you were indicating one comment in

 

         12    particular that you remember the defendant saying to you.  Tell

 

         13    the members of the jury what that was.

 

         14       A.   Let me back up here a second.  In this whole timing,

 

         15    things got worse and worse.

 

         16            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Objection, Judge, she needs to answer the

 

         17    question.

 

         18            THE COURT:  Sustain that.

 

         19            THE WITNESS:  I think I need to say I cried all the

 

         20    time.

 

         21            THE COURT:  Just answer the question and then you can

 

         22    tell us anything else.

 

         23            THE WITNESS:  The worst thing he said was I needed to

 

         24    have his big black dick in me.

 

         25            BY MR. WALKER:

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          902

 

 

          1       Q.   Okay.  Now, let me ask you a question.  Did you ever

 

          2    have a conversation with the store manager, Brian Ard, about any

 

          3    of the comments the defendant would say to you?

 

          4       A.   Brian called me that Christmas of '95 and I said that,

 

          5    you know, it bothered me at first, and I was fine with it, and

 

          6    at that point it was bad, but I thought it would stop.  And it

 

          7    just got worse, so, yes, I did talk to Brian, but I didn't come

 

          8    forward with everything until the very end.  I mean, it's

 

          9    uncomfortable to have someone say things like that to you all

 

         10    the time.  I mean, it was every single day.

 

         11       Q.   Do you recall the time when the defendant was terminated

 

         12    from Camelot store?

 

         13       A.   Yes, it was the end of January '95.

 

         14       Q.   I want to refer your attention to the date April 30th of

 

         15    1996.  Did you become aware of a fire bombing incident that

 

         16    occurred in Roanoke, Virginia on that particular date?

 

         17       A.   Yes, I saw it on 11:00 o'clock news that night.

 

         18       Q.   Tell the members of the jury how you became aware of the

 

         19    fire bombing of -- that occurred on April 30th.

 

         20            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Objection to the relevance, Judge.

 

         21            THE COURT:  Overruled.

 

         22            MR. WALKER:  You can answer the question.

 

         23            THE WITNESS:  I was watching the news that night, it

 

         24    came on, and I became very upset, like I say, excited, called

 

         25    Brian immediately, Brian Ard.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          903

 

 

          1            BY MR. WALKER:

 

          2       Q.   How long had it been since you had seen the defendant

 

          3    before the fire bombing incident, before you heard of the fire

 

          4    bombing incident?

 

          5       A.   It hadn't been that long.  Mark left Camelot

 

          6    January 25th.  He put on a variety show sometime in March.  He

 

          7    came into Camelot just prior to that variety show and talked to

 

          8    Brian.  He passed out flyers.  Robin was with him.  One other

 

          9    time, he came in on a Sunday to Camelot.  He was dressed in

 

         10    sweat pants, had on a hat, bought a CD or something, turned

 

         11    around and looked at me, walked out.  That was it.

 

         12       Q.   And that last time that you saw him, about how many days

 

         13    was that prior to the fire bombing incident that you heard

 

         14    about?

 

         15       A.   Two to three weeks.

 

         16       Q.   Two to three weeks?  How do you know that it was two to

 

         17    three weeks, did anything happen in your life that you remember

 

         18    that?

 

         19       A.   The fire bomb incident or when that was on the news as

 

         20    the last day of exams my sophomore year of college, and everyone

 

         21    was packing up and going home or whatever.

 

         22       Q.   When you heard about the fire bombing incident, having

 

         23    seen the defendant two to three weeks before that, what did you

 

         24    do?

 

         25       A.   I was really scared.  I panicked.  I called the police.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          904

 

 

          1       Q.   Why did you do that?

 

          2            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Objection.

 

          3            THE COURT:  Overruled.

 

          4            BY MR. WALKER:

 

          5       Q.   Why did you do that?

 

          6       A.   Because I worked for Mark, I was part of the reason he

 

          7    was fired.  You know, when we made our comments about the sexual

 

          8    harassment, he lost his job.  I figured Mark was probably angry,

 

          9    brewing, and I didn't -- I felt like we were too closely

 

         10    connected at that time.

 

         11            MR. WALKER:  No further questions, Your Honor.

 

         12            THE COURT:  Cross?

 

         13                       REBUTTAL CROSS-EXAMINATION

 

         14            BY MR. LAUGHRUN:

 

         15       Q.   Do you recall back a time in November that Mr. Williams

 

         16    and I came to Roanoke and tried to talk with you?

 

         17       A.   Yes, I do.

 

         18       Q.   Called you on the phone?

 

         19       A.   Yes.

 

         20       Q.   You were very nice, talked with us?

 

         21       A.   Uh-huh.

 

         22       Q.   And you told us you wouldn't meet with us until you

 

         23    talked to Mr. Conrad or Mr. Walker, is that right?

 

         24       A.   Yes.

 

         25       Q.   You never called us back, did you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          905

 

 

          1       A.   No.

 

          2       Q.   We left you a hotel number?

 

          3       A.   Yes.

 

          4       Q.   Several times?

 

          5       A.   Yes.

 

          6       Q.   Never would talk with us, would you?

 

          7       A.   The way I saw it, I was subpoenaed by the prosecution.

 

          8       Q.   Did they tell you not to talk to us?

 

          9       A.   No, they didn't.  I made that choice.

 

         10       Q.   Now, you had a prior incident back in high school,

 

         11    didn't you, someone calling and leaving lewd messages on your

 

         12    recorder and things?

 

         13       A.   Yes, I did.

 

         14       Q.   It wasn't Mark?

 

         15       A.   No, it wasn't.

 

         16       Q.   Okay.

 

         17       A.   I don't see that that pertains to this whatsoever.

 

         18       Q.   You were assaulted, weren't you?

 

         19       A.   Yes, I was, and that's really why it took me so long to

 

         20    come out with what was going on with Mark, because you don't

 

         21    want to seem like you are overreacting.  But his comments became

 

         22    so lewd and crude, I couldn't say, well, he is just flirting.

 

         23    When someone says they want to put their big black dick in you,

 

         24    I think that goes beyond just flirting and maybe just wanting to

 

         25    go out.  I mean, it was all the time.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          906

 

 

          1       Q.   Now, you told Brian Ard that?

 

          2       A.   Yes, I did.

 

          3       Q.   He didn't believe you, did he?

 

          4       A.   I think Brian believed me.

 

          5       Q.   He didn't fire Mark then, did he?

 

          6       A.   There had to be an internal investigation, you can't

 

          7    just fire somebody.

 

          8       Q.   When you told him that, he still continued to show up

 

          9    for work every day, didn't he?

 

         10       A.   No, no, no, no.  Brian -- no.  Mark was -- Renee Wergan

 

         11    came forward --

 

         12       Q.   Answer my question, ma'am.

 

         13            MR. CONRAD:  Well, I -- Your Honor, he --

 

         14            THE COURT:  Just a minute.

 

         15            BY MR. LAUGHRUN:

 

         16       Q.   He continued to work there, didn't he, ma'am?

 

         17       A.   No.  Renee made her --

 

         18       Q.   That's fine, I just need --

 

         19            THE COURT:  Let her finish up, Mr. Laughrun.

 

         20            MR. LAUGHRUN:  I'm sorry, Judge.

 

         21            THE WITNESS:  You are wrong in what happened.  The

 

         22    accusations were made.  Mark was put on an internal

 

         23    investigation.  Brian had to look into it.  He had to talk to

 

         24    everyone in Camelot.  You just can't go on one person's word

 

         25    against another.  Brian couldn't just say, hey, well, Joanna

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          907

 

 

          1    said this, Mark, you are fired.  We had to make statements.

 

          2    Everybody in the store had to make a statement.  Renee and I

 

          3    made written statements.  But, yes, Brian believed me.

 

          4            BY MR. LAUGHRUN:

 

          5       Q.   Now, wasn't any horsing around at Camelot, was there, it

 

          6    was all business, right?

 

          7       A.   Not -- what do you mean?  I think we were all friends,

 

          8    yes, we were all friends.

 

          9       Q.   Hard work?

 

         10       A.   To some.  It just depends on what you consider hard work

 

         11    to be.

 

         12       Q.   Were you working your way through school there?

 

         13       A.   Yes.

 

         14       Q.   Working sometimes and going to school full-time, too?

 

         15       A.   At that point, my mother was a secretary.  She was a

 

         16    single parent.  I was paying my way through college.  I needed

 

         17    the job.

 

         18       Q.   You were working your way through school, weren't you?

 

         19       A.   Yes.

 

         20       Q.   And Salem College, I believe you -- 15, 20 minutes --

 

         21       A.   It's Roanoke College.

 

         22       Q.   Roanoke College, 15, 20 minutes from Salem, is that

 

         23    right?

 

         24       A.   Yes.

 

         25       Q.   Now, when y'all were there in the back, would everybody

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          908

 

 

          1    kid around sometimes?

 

          2       A.   Yes.

 

          3       Q.   Sometimes employees put their hands on other employees?

 

          4       A.   No.

 

          5       Q.   Let me ask you to look at what's been introduced and

 

          6    marked as Defendant's Exhibit 61, and ask if this is you and

 

          7    Brian Ard with Brian's hands on your head?

 

          8       A.   I think by hands on employees that you are talking

 

          9    about, I'm -- Mark was grabbing our butts and that type thing.

 

         10       Q.   I'm asking you, is that a picture of you and Brian?

 

         11       A.   Yes, this is a picture of Brian Ard and me.

 

         12       Q.   Horsing around in the back?

 

         13       A.   Yes.

 

         14       Q.   Okay.  Do you know who took those pictures, Joanna?

 

         15       A.   I remember Mark took a picture of Heather Hamlin, a past

 

         16    associate, and me.  I'm fairly certain Mark took the picture, I

 

         17    don't remember.

 

         18       Q.   I see.

 

         19            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Thank you, Judge, that's all.

 

         20            MR. WALKER:  Just briefly.

 

         21                      REBUTTAL REDIRECT EXAMINATION

 

         22            BY MR. WALKER:

 

         23       Q.   Ms. Baldwin, did the defendant ever appear to be

 

         24    depressed to you when you saw him?

 

         25       A.   Never.  He was very happy go lucky until he was

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          909

 

 

          1    crossed.  The minute you crossed him, then he turned into a

 

          2    whole other person.

 

          3            MR. WALKER:  I don't have any other questions, Judge.

 

          4            THE COURT:  Thank you, come down.  Call your next

 

          5    witness.

 

          6            MR. CONRAD:  The United States would call Thad Johnson.

 

          7                              THAD JOHNSON,

 

          8    being first duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:

 

          9                       REBUTTAL DIRECT EXAMINATION

 

         10            BY MR. CONRAD:

 

         11       Q.   Would you state your name for the jury?

 

         12       A.   Thad Johnson.

 

         13       Q.   Mr. Johnson, how are you employed?

 

         14       A.   I'm employed with the State of North Carolina as an

 

         15    adult probation and parole officer.

 

         16       Q.   How long you been employed by the State of North

 

         17    Carolina as an adult probation and parole officer?

 

         18       A.   Nine and a half years.

 

         19       Q.   In September of 1994, what were your duties?

 

         20       A.   Well, I was employed as an adult probation officer here

 

         21    in Charlotte.

 

         22       Q.   What does an adult probation officer do?

 

         23       A.   We supervise probationers and parolees here in the

 

         24    state.  When someone gets placed on probation, we supervise a

 

         25    probation case to make sure that the court contract is

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          910

 

 

          1    enforced.  There is a whole list of duties that we have.  I'm

 

          2    not sure how specific you would like me to be.

 

          3       Q.   When you talk about a court contract, what are you

 

          4    referring to?

 

          5       A.   To the probation judgment.

 

          6       Q.   Let me approach and hand to you what has been introduced

 

          7    into evidence in the guilt phase of this trial as Government's

 

          8    Exhibit 17, and ask you if you recognize that exhibit?

 

          9       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         10       Q.   What is Government's Exhibit 17?

 

         11       A.   This is one of the probation cases on Mr. Barnette.

 

         12       Q.   Okay.  Now, did you have -- was there another case as

 

         13    well?

 

         14       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         15       Q.   And would you take Government's Exhibit 17 and

 

         16    describe -- is that what you are referring to when you're you

 

         17    talking about a court contract?

 

         18       A.   Yes, sir.  A probation judgment is probably a better

 

         19    word.

 

         20       Q.   Is that a --

 

         21       A.   That's the proper term.

 

         22       Q.   -- judgment and conviction reflecting a felony

 

         23    conviction for felonious restraint?

 

         24       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         25       Q.   And what is the docket number on that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          911

 

 

          1       A.   It's 93-CRS-076063.

 

          2       Q.   And what were the terms of that judgment, if you would

 

          3    tell the jury looking at Government's Exhibit 17?

 

          4       A.   Okay, he received a one-year sentence suspended, placed

 

          5    on supervised probation for three years.  I'm not sure if you

 

          6    want me to get into each of the regular conditions of probation

 

          7    or not.

 

          8       Q.   You indicated that there was also another court contract

 

          9    for which supervision was provided, is that correct?

 

         10       A.   That's correct.

 

         11       Q.   And what was that for?

 

         12       A.   That would be breaking and entering, and it's case

 

         13    number 93-CRS-076062.

 

         14       Q.   Let me approach and hand to you what has been introduced

 

         15    into evidence in the guilt phase of this trial as Government's

 

         16    Exhibit 64A, and ask you if you can identify that exhibit?

 

         17       A.   Yes.

 

         18       Q.   What is that?

 

         19       A.   Okay, this is a case too of probation.  He received a

 

         20    two-year sentenced, suspended for five years, supervised

 

         21    probation for five years.

 

         22       Q.   Now, turning your attention to the first judgment and

 

         23    conviction for the felonious restraint, on Page 2 of that

 

         24    Exhibit 17, is there a list of regular conditions of probation?

 

         25       A.   Yes, sir.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          912

 

 

          1       Q.   And what -- when I use that, what do I mean when I say

 

          2    regular conditions of probation?

 

          3       A.   These are general conditions of probation that apply to

 

          4    anyone who is on supervised probation in the State of North

 

          5    Carolina.

 

          6       Q.   And what were the regular conditions of probation that

 

          7    were applicable to Mr. Barnette in September of 1994?

 

          8       A.   Each and every one of the conditions listed, 1 through

 

          9    10.

 

         10       Q.   And what was condition number 1?

 

         11       A.   First condition is commit no criminal offense in any

 

         12    jurisdiction.

 

         13       Q.   Number 2?

 

         14       A.   Possessing a firearm, explosive device or other deadly

 

         15    weapon listed in General Statute 14269.

 

         16       Q.   Are there also conditions of supervised probation in

 

         17    addition to regular conditions of probation?

 

         18       A.   Well, these regular conditions of probation apply to

 

         19    anyone who is on supervised probation.

 

         20       Q.   Some probationers are on unsupervised probation and only

 

         21    have a certain number of those conditions applicable to them,

 

         22    correct?

 

         23       A.   Correct.

 

         24       Q.   And others are on supervised probation, and they have an

 

         25    additional set of conditions in addition to the regular

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          913

 

 

          1    conditions, correct?

 

          2       A.   Right.  Actually, anyone who is on supervised or

 

          3    unsupervised, the regular conditions of probation all apply.

 

          4       Q.   Okay.

 

          5       A.   The special conditions of probation apply.  They can

 

          6    also apply to unsupervised as well.  Supervised means that you

 

          7    report to a probation officer, and unsupervised means that there

 

          8    is a suspended sentence, but you don't actually report to

 

          9    probation officer.

 

         10       Q.   Was Mark Barnette on supervised probation?

 

         11       A.   That's correct, yes, sir.

 

         12       Q.   What is condition number 5?

 

         13       A.   Condition number 5 says, remain within the jurisdiction

 

         14    of the Court unless granted written permission to leave by the

 

         15    Court or his probation officer.

 

         16       Q.   What is condition number 6?

 

         17       A.   Report as directed by the Court or his probation officer

 

         18    to the officer at reasonable times and places and in a

 

         19    reasonable manner, permit the officer to visit him at reasonable

 

         20    times, answer all reasonable inquiries by the officer, and

 

         21    obtain prior approval from the officer for and notify the

 

         22    officer of any change in address or employment.

 

         23       Q.   And condition number 7?

 

         24       A.   Notify the probation officer if he fails to obtain or

 

         25    retain satisfactory employment.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          914

 

 

          1       Q.   Mr. Johnson, does your office maintain a probation file

 

          2    on Aquilia Marcivicci Barnette?

 

          3       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          4       Q.   Did you bring it with you today?

 

          5       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          6            MR. CONRAD:  May I approach, Your Honor?

 

          7            THE COURT:  Yes, sir.

 

          8            MR. LAUGHRUN:  We would like to take some time to look

 

          9    at it, we haven't seen it, Judge.

 

         10            THE COURT:  Pardon?

 

         11            MR. LAUGHRUN:  We need to look at it, we haven't seen

 

         12    it.

 

         13            THE COURT:  First of all, go ahead and mark it and

 

         14    identify it.

 

         15            MR. CONRAD:  Can I identify it and then --

 

         16            THE COURT:  Identify it first.

 

         17            BY MR. CONRAD:

 

         18       Q.   Would you take the two exhibits I have just showed you,

 

         19    remove them from your file, put your file together and hand it

 

         20    to me?

 

         21       A.   (Witness complies.)

 

         22       Q.   I'm going to mark for identification as Government's

 

         23    Exhibit --

 

         24            MR. CONRAD:  Is it 72, Your Honor?

 

         25            THE CLERK:  72.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          915

 

 

          1            BY MR. CONRAD:

 

          2       Q.   A file, and I would ask you, Mr. Johnson, is that a file

 

          3    kept in the regular course of business by the North Carolina

 

          4    probation office?

 

          5       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          6       Q.   And are the items in that file, is it part of the North

 

          7    Carolina probation officer to keep records such as are contained

 

          8    in that file?

 

          9       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         10       Q.   Are you someone who is authorized to maintain custody of

 

         11    records kept in --

 

         12            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Judge, we will stipulate that's the file.

 

         13    I don't have any objection to that.

 

         14            THE COURT:  All right.

 

         15            MR. LAUGHRUN:  I would like to see it, we haven't seen.

 

         16            MR. CONRAD:  Well, I'm getting to that point.

 

         17            BY MR. CONRAD:

 

         18       Q.   Mr. Johnson, are there any regulations concerning your

 

         19    disseminating the contents of that file in court or otherwise?

 

         20       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         21       Q.   And what are those regulations?

 

         22       A.   It's the property of the probation office unless we have

 

         23    a Judge's order to turn it over.

 

         24            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, would you at this point order

 

         25    this witness to turn his file over for purposes of the trial?

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          916

 

 

          1            THE COURT:  Yes, sir, turn it over, please.

 

          2            MR. CONRAD:  (Hands the file over to defense counsel.)

 

          3            (Pause.)

 

          4            MR. LAUGHRUN:  We would like to be heard about some of

 

          5    this material.

 

          6            THE COURT:  All right.

 

          7            (Bench conference not recorded.)

 

          8            MR. CONRAD:  Mr. Johnson, I'm going to approach and give

 

          9    you back your file.

 

         10            THE COURT:  Yes, sir.

 

         11            THE WITNESS:  Thank you.

 

         12            BY MR. CONRAD:

 

         13       Q.   Does a probation file contain a narrative of the

 

         14    activities that took place during the time period of probation?

 

         15       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         16       Q.   And what is that called?

 

         17       A.   Okay, this is our supervision report contacts form that

 

         18    we use.

 

         19       Q.   And describe that form for the jury, would you, please.

 

         20       A.   Yes, sir.  It's a narrative entry form that we use

 

         21    anytime we have personal contact with a probationer or anytime

 

         22    we have any contact to do with court records, home visits,

 

         23    pretty much any contact that we have, any agency that may be

 

         24    helping us in supervising the client.  So any contacts that we

 

         25    have whatsoever involving the probationer, we do write down in a

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    narrative file.

 

          2       Q.   Is that a file that's dated?

 

          3       A.   Yes, sir.  It indicates the date, of course, that we had

 

          4    and the type of contact we had, whether it was personal contact,

 

          5    a telephone call or whatever.

 

          6       Q.   And are there any codes that are used that would let you

 

          7    know what type of contact or what type --

 

          8       A.   Yes, sir, there are codes that we use.

 

          9       Q.   What are those codes?

 

         10       A.   Well, would you like me to go over each one of them?

 

         11       Q.   (Nods head.)

 

         12       A.   An HV-1 indicates that we did a home visit on the

 

         13    probationer and they were actually -- actually saw them

 

         14    physically at that residence.  An HV-2 means that we did a home

 

         15    visit and someone in the household verifies to us that they live

 

         16    there.  An HV-3 means that no one was home or the residence

 

         17    could not be located.  An OV indicates an office visit in our

 

         18    office.  A PC is a personal contact.  A T is a telephone.  L is

 

         19    letter, meaning that we mailed a letter in regards to the case.

 

         20    A CV-1 is a family of acquaintance of the probationer.  A CV-2

 

         21    is a law enforcement contact or any court record.  A CV-3 is an

 

         22    employment contact.  A CV-4 is a court or commission hearing.

 

         23    And a CV-5 is a resource contact.

 

         24       Q.   Now, is there a part of that -- strike that.  Does

 

         25    reviewing that narrative assist you in testifying as to what

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    happened during the course of defendant Mark Barnette's

 

          2    probation supervision?

 

          3       A.   Yes, yes.

 

          4       Q.   What is the first entry, if any, in that report?

 

          5       A.   Excuse me one second, make sure I have it here.

 

          6    (Witness reviews documents.)  9-22-94 was the first office visit

 

          7    and personal contact made with Mr. Barnette.

 

          8       Q.   Was that two days after the judgment and conviction, the

 

          9    Court contract that you talked about?

 

         10       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         11       Q.   And what, if any, information was gleaned from the

 

         12    defendant on that day?

 

         13       A.   Okay, first of all, it was not a contact made by me.

 

         14    There was another probation officer who had this case at the

 

         15    time.

 

         16       Q.   Right.

 

         17       A.   Would you like me to read what is written down?

 

         18       Q.   Yes.

 

         19       A.   Says 9-22-94, OVPC, address 3413 West Boulevard, phone

 

         20    number is listed as 392-9072, employment Courtyard Marriott,

 

         21    indicating that he works 10:45 p.m. to 8:00 a.m. as a night

 

         22    auditor, defendant stated past charges dealt with ex-girlfriend

 

         23    Alesha Chambers at 1524 Penson Street, defendant will report on

 

         24    9-29-94 to the jail.  Let's see, PO will resume supervision on

 

         25    10-16-94.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          919

 

 

          1       Q.   Now, when you relate this to the jury, if there is a

 

          2    code, would you just go ahead and say what the code is?

 

          3       A.   Oh, I'm sorry, yeah.  His next office visit was set for

 

          4    10-16-94.

 

          5       Q.   Was there any contact on October 4th of '94?

 

          6       A.   Yes.  He came in on October 4th, same address, 3413

 

          7    listed as West Boulevard, same employment.  He told the

 

          8    probation officer the same employment.

 

          9       Q.   Did he have a work phone number?

 

         10       A.   He did.  He gave a work number as 527-5055.  And he also

 

         11    had an assault with a deadly weapon charge that was currently on

 

         12    appeal.

 

         13       Q.   What is the next entry?

 

         14       A.   It's 12-1-94 was the next office visit.  He told the

 

         15    probation office that he was still living at 3413 West

 

         16    Boulevard, that he was still employed at the Courtyard

 

         17    Marriott.  He told the probation officer that his next court

 

         18    date was in courtroom 3302 for the assault with a deadly weapon

 

         19    charge.  He was given a next office visit to return on

 

         20    December 9th at 9:00 a.m. of '94.

 

         21       Q.   In that entry, did he list a supervisor at the Courtyard

 

         22    by Marriott, a name?

 

         23       A.   Well, he did not.  He listed who his attorney was at the

 

         24    time.  He told the probation officer Mariah Long was his public

 

         25    defender.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          920

 

 

          1       Q.   What's the next entry?

 

          2       A.   The next entry is 12-9-94, probation officer called

 

          3    defendant and told him not to come because we did not have any

 

          4    EHA monitors to put him on EHA.

 

          5       Q.   What's EHA?

 

          6       A.   Which is the electronic house arrest monitor.  Probation

 

          7    officer informed unit supervisor of situation.  We will attempt

 

          8    to location FMD's, which is the unit that we use to hook up the

 

          9    electric house arrest.

 

         10       Q.   Was there an office visit set for January 31st of 1995?

 

         11       A.   Actually, there is no narrative entry for the next

 

         12    appointment at that point that the probation officer indicated

 

         13    at that time.

 

         14       Q.   Let me turn your attention to December 9th, 1994, and

 

         15    ask you whether or not an office visit was set for January 31st,

 

         16    1995?

 

         17       A.   Probation officer does not have when the next

 

         18    appointment is set from December 9th.

 

         19       Q.   Turning your attention to January 31st, 1995, is there

 

         20    an entry there?

 

         21       A.   He returned to our office -- first of all, to answer

 

         22    your question, there is a narrative entry from 1-31-95.

 

         23       Q.   And what, if anything, is reflected there?

 

         24       A.   It indicates that he was a no show on 1-31-95.

 

         25       Q.   Okay.  And what is the next contact?

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          921

 

 

          1       A.   The next contact was 2-22-95.  That's when I had been

 

          2    assigned the case, and I mailed a letter to West Boulevard for

 

          3    him to report on March 6th at 9:30 a.m.

 

          4       Q.   And what is the code reflected there?

 

          5       A.   It's code CV-2, L, which just documents and dates that a

 

          6    letter was sent on that date.

 

          7       Q.   And what does the CV-2 reflect?

 

          8       A.   It's just a court -- matter of document and court record

 

          9    that a letter was mailed to West Boulevard on that date for him

 

         10    to report on 3-6-95.

 

         11       Q.   What happened on the office visit set for March 6th,

 

         12    1995?

 

         13       A.   He did not show up for that appointment.

 

         14       Q.   What, if anything, did you do?

 

         15       A.   Well, on that same day, I called the phone number that

 

         16    had been given to us previously and the phone was disconnected.

 

         17       Q.   So what did you do next?

 

         18       A.   On March 20th, I called the Courtyard Marriott and was

 

         19    told he was no longer employed there.

 

         20       Q.   What did you do next?

 

         21       A.   On March 24th, 1995, I made an HV-3, which indicates

 

         22    that I attempted to locate the residence on West Boulevard and

 

         23    could not locate the residence.

 

         24       Q.   And explain your efforts in attempting to locate that

 

         25    residence.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          922

 

 

          1       A.   Well, the residence is back off the road and it is

 

          2    difficult to see.  I mean, I had to go out there several times

 

          3    before I actually located the residence.  But I rode up and down

 

          4    West Boulevard on that day and could not locate the residence.

 

          5    I was unsuccessful in locating it.

 

          6       Q.   And on April 26th, did you do the same thing?

 

          7       A.   Right, I went back out again and made another attempt to

 

          8    locate the residence, and still at that point I could not locate

 

          9    the residence.

 

         10       Q.   Did there come a time in July of 1995 that you made any

 

         11    efforts with respect to this supervision?

 

         12       A.   Right, I did.  I finally located the residence, and at

 

         13    that point there was a female who came to the door when I

 

         14    knocked on the door who identified herself as his mother.  And I

 

         15    identified myself, of course, and she told me that she did not

 

         16    know where he was living at the time, but I indicated to her

 

         17    that I gave her an office visit for him to come in two days from

 

         18    that date.  She did indicate that she would have contact with

 

         19    him and could give him my message to report to me on July 19th.

 

         20       Q.   Did his mother indicate to you on that day that the

 

         21    defendant comes in from time to time?

 

         22       A.   Yes, I have that written, that she -- he is not living

 

         23    there, but he does come in from time to time.

 

         24       Q.   But she didn't know where he was?

 

         25       A.   That's correct.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          923

 

 

          1       Q.   But told you she would give him a message?

 

          2       A.   Right, yes, sir.

 

          3       Q.   Did she tell you that for the past four months, the

 

          4    defendant had been living in Roanoke, Virginia, did she tell you

 

          5    that on that day?

 

          6       A.   No, sir.

 

          7       Q.   What was your next contact?

 

          8       A.   Well, on July 19th, I received a phone call from

 

          9    Mr. Barnette and he told me that he could not come in because he

 

         10    was working for Temp World that day, and that he had also

 

         11    another reason he said that he had not contacted was that he had

 

         12    been recuperating and recovering from a gunshot wound.

 

         13       Q.   Okay.  So he told you two things?

 

         14       A.   Right.

 

         15       Q.   And it was a phone call that he initiated to you?

 

         16       A.   Right.

 

         17       Q.   Do you know where that phone call came from?

 

         18       A.   I have no idea.

 

         19       Q.   You don't know whether it was from North Carolina or

 

         20    Virginia?

 

         21       A.   No, sir, we don't have any equipment on our phone that

 

         22    indicates where the phone call is coming in from.

 

         23       Q.   But this was the day that he was supposed to be in for

 

         24    an office visit?

 

         25       A.   That was the day that he was supposed to report to me,

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          924

 

 

          1    yes, sir.

 

          2       Q.   And he told you he was working at Temp World?

 

          3       A.   Temp World here in Charlotte.

 

          4       Q.   And was he located onsite at Selectron, is that what he

 

          5    told you?

 

          6       A.   Right, right.

 

          7       Q.   And he said that he was home recovering from --

 

          8       A.   A gunshot wound.

 

          9       Q.   -- a gunshot wound?

 

         10       A.   That's correct.

 

         11       Q.   Do you know that -- do you know whether or not the

 

         12    defendant had, in fact, been shot in his home in January of

 

         13    1995, seven months before?

 

         14       A.   I did not know that.

 

         15       Q.   Did the mother, when you talked to the mother on

 

         16    July 17th, did she tell you that her son was home recovering

 

         17    from a gunshot wound seven months before?

 

         18       A.   No, sir.

 

         19       Q.   Did anything else happen on that day?

 

         20       A.   Well, I also gave -- at that point, I rescheduled his

 

         21    appointment for July 24th of 1995 at 4:00 p.m.

 

         22       Q.   Okay.  Did you call -- was there any -- telephone

 

         23    contact with his mother on that day?

 

         24       A.   His mother called me later that day to confirm his

 

         25    appointment with me on July 24th, 1995 at 4:00 p.m.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          925

 

 

          1       Q.   What did you do on July 14th as a result of getting

 

          2    information from the defendant that he was working at Temp

 

          3    World?

 

          4       A.   Well, I called Temp World and they told me that he was

 

          5    not employed there.

 

          6       Q.   What, if anything, happened on July 24th?

 

          7       A.   He did report to my office as scheduled that day.  I

 

          8    will just read what I have written down.  OVPC, defendant

 

          9    arrived as scheduled, same address, indicating that he would be

 

         10    living at his West Boulevard address.  He told me there were no

 

         11    current tickets or arrests that were pending against him.  I

 

         12    have a narrative entry, defendant has been recovering from a

 

         13    gunshot wound, he was shot in the leg, femur was shattered,

 

         14    defendant states he did not contact office because of getting

 

         15    shot.

 

         16       Q.   Now, did he tell you that being shot happened seven

 

         17    months ago?

 

         18       A.   No.

 

         19       Q.   Did he tell you that prior to getting shot, he had shot

 

         20    a rifle on the premises at 3413 West Boulevard?

 

         21       A.   No, sir.

 

         22       Q.   Would possessing a rifle in January of 1995 been a

 

         23    violation of his court contract?

 

         24       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         25       Q.   Would leaving the State of North Carolina and going to

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    Roanoke without your permission have been a violation of his

 

          2    court contract?

 

          3       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          4       Q.   Would changing residences from 3413 West Boulevard to

 

          5    1616 Keswick Drive in Roanoke, would that have been -- without

 

          6    notifying you, would that have been a violation of his court

 

          7    contract?

 

          8       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          9       Q.   Did you on that occasion take a photograph of the

 

         10    defendant?

 

         11       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         12       Q.   And is that maintained in your file?

 

         13       A.   That's correct.

 

         14       Q.   And is that the first time that you were able to get a

 

         15    hold of him during the time period that you were supervising him

 

         16    in this case?

 

         17       A.   That's correct.

 

         18       Q.   Did you at that time do a client assessment?

 

         19       A.   Yes, sir.  I went over the conditions of probation again

 

         20    as I do whenever I meet a client for the first time or I get a

 

         21    case from the very beginning.

 

         22       Q.   Did you -- do you have in your file a document entitled,

 

         23    Initial Client Assessment?

 

         24       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         25       Q.   And would you describe what that is for the jury?

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          927

 

 

          1       A.   Excuse me one second while I locate the form here.  This

 

          2    is an assessment that we use in personally evaluating each

 

          3    person as we meet them which goes into everything as far as

 

          4    their address, their prior convictions, what those prior

 

          5    convictions may be for, their attitude when we are talking with

 

          6    them, when we're dealing with them, their employment, their

 

          7    education, their marital status, and a whole list, financial

 

          8    situation, friends, associates.  And they are given a score at

 

          9    that point.

 

         10       Q.   Is the score based upon the information provided to you?

 

         11       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         12       Q.   And what is the purpose of scoring a probation client

 

         13    with an initial client assessment?

 

         14       A.   Well, at that point, it's a tool for our office to use

 

         15    as far as whether we feel like what type of probationer they are

 

         16    going to be, whether they are going to be high risk or whatnot.

 

         17       Q.   Now, there is an entry on that form, is there not, for

 

         18    felony convictions, prior, current or past felony convictions?

 

         19       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         20       Q.   And what score did you give him for that?

 

         21       A.   A two for one or more.

 

         22       Q.   What is that based upon, one or more felony convictions?

 

         23       A.   Right.

 

         24       Q.   What felony convictions did he tell you about on that

 

         25    day?

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          928

 

 

          1       A.   He told me that the only felony conviction he had was

 

          2    what he was on probation for.

 

          3       Q.   Did he tell you he had a felony conviction in the State

 

          4    of Georgia?

 

          5       A.   No, sir.

 

          6       Q.   Is there an entry on that assessment form involving an

 

          7    offense involving the use of a weapon, physical force or the

 

          8    threat of force?

 

          9       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         10       Q.   What score did you give him for that?

 

         11       A.   Well, he was given a two, because that is the score

 

         12    that's given to anyone who is convicted of house break-in,

 

         13    breaking and entering, burglary or stolen property.

 

         14       Q.   And as for the current and/or past convictions, he was

 

         15    given a two?

 

         16       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         17       Q.   Now, the next item on the score tabulation, is that for

 

         18    an offense involving use of a weapon, physical force or the

 

         19    threat of force?

 

         20       A.   That's -- actually, the very next item is vehicle theft

 

         21    and auto larceny.

 

         22       Q.   Okay.

 

         23       A.   The very next one is robbery, and following that is

 

         24    forgery, worthless check or fraud -- okay, I'm sorry, you're

 

         25    going to the very -- I follow you now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          929

 

 

          1       Q.   Turning your attention to the item listed offense

 

          2    involving the use of a weapon, physical force or the threat of

 

          3    force, what score did you give him for that?

 

          4       A.   Well, he was given a no, a zero, indicating that --

 

          5       Q.   Did he tell you that he had a felony conviction for

 

          6    beating two children with a metal coat hanger in the State of

 

          7    Georgia?

 

          8       A.   No, he did not.

 

          9       Q.   Now, if he had, would that have indicated a different

 

         10    point total?

 

         11       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         12       Q.   Now, alcohol usage, you gave him a zero for that.  Was

 

         13    that based upon the information that he provided to you?

 

         14       A.   The conversation.

 

         15       Q.   And his attitude, what score did you give him for

 

         16    attitude?

 

         17       A.   Well, I put a zero, which indicates motivated or

 

         18    receptive to assistance.

 

         19       Q.   And that's how he appeared to you on that day?

 

         20       A.   That's how he appeared on me on that day.  I mean, he

 

         21    was very cooperative.  His mother came with him that day and she

 

         22    was there in support, saying the reason he had not been in to my

 

         23    office was because he had been recuperating from a gunshot

 

         24    wound, et cetera.

 

         25       Q.   This is something she hadn't told you in the home visit

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          930

 

 

          1    that you had the same month?

 

          2       A.   Right, right.

 

          3       Q.   Now, is there an entry for prior periods of adult

 

          4    probation parole supervision?

 

          5       A.   Yes.

 

          6       Q.   And what score was he given for that?

 

          7       A.   He was given a zero for that.

 

          8       Q.   Indicating no prior adult probation?

 

          9       A.   Right.

 

         10       Q.   Did he tell you about being put on probation in the

 

         11    State of Georgia for felonious cruelty to children?

 

         12       A.   No, sir.

 

         13       Q.   And based upon all of those answers, you came up with a

 

         14    final score that would reflect the degree of seriousness this

 

         15    probationer presented on that day?

 

         16       A.   That's correct.

 

         17       Q.   Now, when you first met with him on July 24th, 1995,

 

         18    where did you think he resided?

 

         19       A.   Well, as I looked -- he -- I was told that he was living

 

         20    at West Boulevard part of the time.  But at the end of the

 

         21    office visit, I have a narrative entry, defendant cannot give me

 

         22    a set schedule or address at this time.

 

         23       Q.   Now, did he tell you he was living in Roanoke, Virginia?

 

         24       A.   No, sir, that --

 

         25       Q.   Did his mother tell you that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          931

 

 

          1       A.   No, sir.

 

          2       Q.   Did he tell you he was working at the Camelot record

 

          3    store in Roanoke, Virginia?

 

          4       A.   No, sir.

 

          5       Q.   Did his mother tell you that?

 

          6       A.   No, sir.

 

          7       Q.   Did he tell you he had a Virginia driver's license

 

          8    listing 1616 Keswick Drive as his address?

 

          9       A.   No, sir.

 

         10       Q.   Did he tell you that he was working at Courtyard by

 

         11    Marriott?

 

         12       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         13       Q.   Tell this jury who he said was his point of contact at

 

         14    Courtyard by Marriott?

 

         15       A.   He told me on July 24th that his supervisor was Sheila

 

         16    Cooper, that he was working at the Courtyard Marriott as a

 

         17    security night auditor from the 11:00 to 7:00 shift, 11:00 p.m.

 

         18    to 7:00 a.m. shift that day.

 

         19       Q.   In Charlotte, North Carolina?

 

         20       A.   Right, Charlotte, North Carolina.

 

         21       Q.   Now, is the name Sheila Cooper familiar to you?

 

         22       A.   It turns out that this was his aunt, but at the time I

 

         23    had no idea.

 

         24       Q.   Did you know that Sheila Cooper was living at the 3413

 

         25    West Boulevard address at the time he indicated that was his

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          932

 

 

          1    supervisor at work?

 

          2       A.   He told me that was his supervisor at work.

 

          3       Q.   Did you have a contact with him on July 31st?

 

          4       A.   Excuse me one second here -- yes, sir.

 

          5       Q.   And what, if anything, did the defendant communicate to

 

          6    you on that day?

 

          7       A.   On July 31st, defendant arrived as scheduled.  He gave

 

          8    me a new address as 1708 Flynwood Drive located here in

 

          9    Charlotte, zip code 28205, phone number 532-9595.  He gave me

 

         10    directions, take Central Avenue, past Briar Creek Road.

 

         11    Defendant told me he was still employed with Marriott Courtyard

 

         12    but he did not have a set schedule at that time, but he was

 

         13    working on getting a set schedule.

 

         14       Q.   Still employed at the Courtyard by Marriott?

 

         15       A.   Right.

 

         16       Q.   Did you set a next office visit for August 10th?

 

         17       A.   Yes, sir, August 10th of 1995 at 10:00 a.m.

 

         18       Q.   And what happened on that day?

 

         19       A.   Defendant -- I received a message from defendant stating

 

         20    that he could not come in because he had a doctor's appointment.

 

         21       Q.   So what was done at that point?

 

         22       A.   I called the defendant's residence and left a message

 

         23    for him to call me immediately.

 

         24       Q.   And what happened next?

 

         25       A.   I didn't receive a phone call on August 29th.  I went

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          933

 

 

          1    out to the residence at 1708 Flynwood Drive, verified his

 

          2    residence and spoke with someone who came to the door who told

 

          3    me that he did live there.  And I gave him an appointment slip

 

          4    to give to Mr. Barnette to report on August 31st at 12:00 noon.

 

          5       Q.   When you say you verified that he was living there, you

 

          6    talked to someone who answered the door and said yes, he does

 

          7    live there?

 

          8       A.   That's correct.

 

          9       Q.   You didn't see the defendant?

 

         10       A.   No, sir.

 

         11       Q.   And did there come a time when you had an office visit

 

         12    on August 31st of 1995?

 

         13       A.   Right.  I gave this gentleman who came to the door who

 

         14    told me he was his cousin to report to my office on

 

         15    August 31st.  On August 31st, Mr. Barnette did report to my

 

         16    office.

 

         17       Q.   Do you know whether that gentleman's name was Steve

 

         18    Austin?

 

         19       A.   I don't have his name written down here.

 

         20       Q.   Now, what happened on August 31st?

 

         21       A.   August 31st, defendant arrived as scheduled, same

 

         22    address.  Defendant stated that he fell and hurt his leg.

 

         23       Q.   As a reason for missing the last appointment?

 

         24       A.   He gave me the same phone number as 532-9595, and at

 

         25    that point I advised defendant to have all calling features

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          934

 

 

          1    taken off of his phone so that we could get his house arrest

 

          2    monitor set up.

 

          3       Q.   Was there an appointment set up for September 7th?

 

          4       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          5       Q.   What happened on that day?

 

          6       A.   September 7th 1995, defendant called, stated he could

 

          7    not come in, he had to appear in court.  He left a message.

 

          8       Q.   What did you do as a result of getting that message?

 

          9       A.   On September 21st, I mailed a letter for him to report

 

         10    on October 9th, 1995 at 10:30 a.m.

 

         11       Q.   What, if anything, happened on October 9th, 1995?

 

         12       A.   He was a no show for that appointment.

 

         13       Q.   And what did you do as a result of that?

 

         14       A.   Well, I sent out another contact request for him to

 

         15    report on November 6th at 11:15 a.m.

 

         16       Q.   And what happened on that day?

 

         17       A.   He was a no show.

 

         18       Q.   And what did you do as a result of that?

 

         19       A.   I called the Courtyard Marriott on November 14th,

 

         20    defendant's place of employment, verified still there, left

 

         21    message for defendant to call as soon as possible.

 

         22       Q.   Now, previously in July, he had indicated to you his

 

         23    supervisor there was Sheila Cooper?

 

         24       A.   Sheila Cooper, that's correct.

 

         25       Q.   And you left a message for him to call as soon as

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          935

 

 

          1    possible?

 

          2       A.   Right.

 

          3       Q.   What happened after that?

 

          4       A.   Turn to the next page here, I never heard from him after

 

          5    that.

 

          6       Q.   What did you do on December 15th, 1995, if anything?

 

          7       A.   December 15th I went back to the Flynwood address,

 

          8    verified once again that he was living there, and left an

 

          9    appointment for him to come in on December 18th.

 

         10       Q.   December 18th?

 

         11       A.   That's correct.

 

         12       Q.   Let me approach and hand you what has been marked for

 

         13    identification as Government's Exhibit 66, and ask you to look

 

         14    at that exhibit and state whether or not a photograph appears

 

         15    there?

 

         16       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         17       Q.   Is that a photograph of the defendant, Mark Barnette?

 

         18       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         19       Q.   And what is the date of that photograph, the issue date?

 

         20       A.   Issue date is 12-18-95.

 

         21       Q.   And is that 12-18-95 the date the defendant was supposed

 

         22    to be in your office in Charlotte, North Carolina?

 

         23       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         24       Q.   And what is the -- although the photograph is of the

 

         25    defendant, Mark Barnette, what is the customer name listed on

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          936

 

 

          1    Government's Exhibit 66?

 

          2       A.   Mario Vonkeith Barnette.

 

          3       Q.   Does that appear to be a Commonwealth of Virginia

 

          4    identification document?

 

          5       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          6       Q.   On December 18th when the defendant was supposed to be

 

          7    in your office, he was having his photograph taken in Virginia

 

          8    to obtain an identification card in the name of Mario Vonkeith

 

          9    Barnette?

 

         10       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         11       Q.   Did he tell you that he missed the appointment on

 

         12    December 18th because he was having a fake I.D. made in the

 

         13    Commonwealth of Virginia?

 

         14       A.   No, sir.

 

         15       Q.   What did you do at that point?

 

         16       A.   At that point, I started proceedings to issue a warrant

 

         17    for his arrest.

 

         18       Q.   And why did you do that?

 

         19       A.   Because I felt like that I had certainly exhausted

 

         20    everything I knew to do and to work with him and try to get him

 

         21    to comply and get him to come in, and at that point there was

 

         22    nothing else I could really do, because I had been to the

 

         23    residence several times and followed through.  And I hadn't had

 

         24    any response from him on the last couple of contacts that I

 

         25    attempted to make.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       Q.   And at that time when you started the process to issue a

 

          2    warrant for arrest, did you still believe that he was living in

 

          3    the State of North Carolina?

 

          4       A.   Yes, sir, because I had done as I just testified several

 

          5    home visits and was told -- our department does not require that

 

          6    the person has to physically be there, because many times our

 

          7    probationers are at work during the day and whatnot.  Just a

 

          8    family member or someone that lives in that household has to

 

          9    physically be there to tell us that they reside there.

 

         10       Q.   After having that process started, when is the next time

 

         11    you ever met face to face with the defendant?

 

         12       A.   Well, the very next time I met with him was on July 8th

 

         13    of 1996.  That was after he was arrested for these charges and I

 

         14    served the probation violation report on him at that point.

 

         15       Q.   And you served that in July, the month following the

 

         16    murders of Donnie Lee Allen and Robin Williams?

 

         17       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         18       Q.   And his attorney at that time was present when you

 

         19    served that paperwork?

 

         20       A.   That's correct.

 

         21       Q.   Describe the defendant's demeanor on that day.

 

         22            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Objection to relevance.

 

         23            THE COURT:  Overruled.

 

         24            THE WITNESS:  Well, he first walked in and he was like,

 

         25    yeah, you were straight up with me, to use his exact words, you

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          938

 

 

          1    were straight up with me, you were fine, I will sign whatever I

 

          2    need to sign.  And I explained to him that I was charging him

 

          3    with violating his probation and the warrant had already been

 

          4    served on him, but it is a requirement that we explain to them

 

          5    what they are being charged with as far as violating their

 

          6    probation, and he signed the paperwork.

 

          7            BY MR. CONRAD:

 

          8       Q.   Did he seem to understand what you told him?

 

          9       A.   He fully understood exactly what I was saying to him.

 

         10       Q.   Just roughly two weeks after the killings took place on

 

         11    June 22nd?

 

         12       A.   That's correct.

 

         13       Q.   Did he -- describe his -- how he appeared to you on that

 

         14    day in terms of personality?

 

         15       A.   Well, I mean, he appeared calm.  I mean, he didn't

 

         16    appear very upset, he didn't show any signs of remorse to me at

 

         17    all, in fact, because I was rather concerned about his state of

 

         18    mind.

 

         19            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Objection.

 

         20            THE COURT:  Overruled, go ahead.

 

         21            BY MR. CONRAD:

 

         22       Q.   Go ahead.

 

         23       A.   In fact, I questioned his lawyer before I went back

 

         24    there as far as his state of mind, because I didn't know what

 

         25    state of mind to expect him in when I served the probation

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          939

 

 

          1    violation on him.

 

          2       Q.   Did he seem listless to you on that day?

 

          3       A.   He seemed listless.  I mean, it seemed like it was an

 

          4    everyday thing, it was no big deal.  He signed the probation

 

          5    violation report and that was it.

 

          6       Q.   Any signs of depression?

 

          7       A.   He didn't appear depressed or anything to me at all.

 

          8            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, that's all I have.

 

          9            THE COURT:  Cross?

 

         10                       REBUTTAL CROSS-EXAMINATION

 

         11            BY MR. LAUGHRUN:

 

         12       Q.   Mr. Johnson, that was down in the courtroom holding cell

 

         13    of 1101, is that right?

 

         14       A.   That's correct.

 

         15       Q.   1101 is the probable cause court for State Court, right?

 

         16       A.   That's correct.

 

         17       Q.   And he was back there.  When he showed no remorse, was

 

         18    calm and not upset, there were probably 20 to 30 other inmates

 

         19    there dressed in orange jump suits, is that right?

 

         20       A.   No, sir, this was actually in a holding cell that he,

 

         21    Ms. Wegan, his attorney at the time, and myself, just the three

 

         22    of us were exclusively in in the room.

 

         23       Q.   And y'all took him out of the big room where other

 

         24    inmates were, is that right?

 

         25       A.   Right.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          940

 

 

          1       Q.   And the holding cell is open, there's not a door to it,

 

          2    is that right?

 

          3       A.   I'm sorry?

 

          4       Q.   Where y'all were, were you in the female section?

 

          5       A.   We were in the very first holding cell as you go back to

 

          6    where the prisoners are kept, the first room on the right.  I'm

 

          7    not sure if that's the female room or not.

 

          8       Q.   Benches, steel benches there, is that right?

 

          9       A.   That's correct, yes, sir.

 

         10       Q.   Door open or closed?

 

         11       A.   The door was -- it was cracked, I think.  It was almost

 

         12    closed, maybe not completely closed.

 

         13       Q.   And you just gave the warrants on him for absconding

 

         14    supervision, is that right?

 

         15       A.   That's correct.

 

         16       Q.   And you were aware at that time that he had been charged

 

         17    with two counts of capital murder?

 

         18       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         19       Q.   Carjacking?

 

         20       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         21       Q.   Had some charges pending in Virginia?

 

         22       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         23       Q.   And in the scheme of things, this was the least of his

 

         24    worries, would that be fair statement based on your experience,

 

         25    I mean, he's looking at the death penalty, the probation

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          941

 

 

          1    violation for a felony is the least of his worries, is that a

 

          2    fair statement?

 

          3       A.   Perhaps, perhaps.

 

          4       Q.   His lawyer was with him?

 

          5       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          6       Q.   Susan Wegan?

 

          7       A.   Yes, sir, that's correct.

 

          8       Q.   Female lawyer from the public defender's office?

 

          9       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         10       Q.   Now, and I believe he was upbeat with you as far as

 

         11    saying, you were straight up with me, is that right?

 

         12       A.   Right.

 

         13       Q.   Let's go back a little.  When you went and did this

 

         14    initial client assessment sheet that Mr. Conrad asked you about,

 

         15    a lot of that information you get from the computer, do you not,

 

         16    about prior convictions and stuff like that, you just don't rely

 

         17    on what somebody tells you, is that right?

 

         18       A.   Well, yes and no.  I mean, I depends on when we fill

 

         19    these out, we ask them -- I mean, because we feel it's a better

 

         20    assessment if we ask them personally and that gives us an

 

         21    indication of whether they are being truthful with us or not.

 

         22       Q.   And if you found out different, would you go back and

 

         23    change it?

 

         24       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         25       Q.   Were you aware when you did the assessment sheet in 1984

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          942

 

 

          1    that he had been supervised by your office two years earlier?

 

          2            MR. CONRAD:  Object to the year.

 

          3            MR. LAUGHRUN:  1993.

 

          4            THE COURT:  Overruled.

 

          5            BY MR. LAUGHRUN:

 

          6       Q.   September 23rd, '93, were you aware he had been

 

          7    supervised by your office by a probation officer named

 

          8    Michael D. Haley?

 

          9       A.   No, sir.

 

         10       Q.   You didn't put that in your records?

 

         11       A.   Well, that file, I'm sure, had been closed at that

 

         12    point.  There was nothing in the file that I had that indicated

 

         13    that.

 

         14       Q.   Couldn't punch his name in the computer to see if he had

 

         15    ever been supervised by probation before?

 

         16       A.   Yes, we could do that.

 

         17       Q.   Let me ask you to look at Defendant's Exhibits 62 and

 

         18    63.  And while Mr. Conrad is looking at those, do you know what,

 

         19    these are my words, Mr. Johnson, courtesy supervision is called?

 

         20       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         21       Q.   Courtesy supervision, and correct me if I'm wrong, one

 

         22    state asks another state to supervise that inmate or that

 

         23    probationer?

 

         24       A.   Yes, sir, that's correct.

 

         25       Q.   That's through what is called the interstate compact, is

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          943

 

 

          1    that right?

 

          2       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          3       Q.   And what happens is, correct me if I'm wrong, the state

 

          4    that wants the supervision contacts tax the state where the

 

          5    defendant lives and asks to do a background check to see if he

 

          6    would be appropriate to transfer the paperwork, is that right?

 

          7       A.   That's correct.

 

          8       Q.   And your office here, for example, if the defendant were

 

          9    in Georgia, transferred it up here, you'd do a home visit, do a

 

         10    background check as best you could to see if it would be

 

         11    appropriate to supervise him here, is that right?

 

         12       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         13       Q.   And if it's done, it's sent back through what is called

 

         14    the interstate compact, probationer, all the paperwork is sent

 

         15    up here and y'all do what is called a courtesy supervision, is

 

         16    that right?

 

         17       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         18       Q.   Try to enforce all of the terms of that home state

 

         19    probation, is that right?

 

         20       A.   Yes, sir, that's correct.

 

         21       Q.   And were you familiar with Mr. Barnette being supervised

 

         22    by Mike Haley up here at all?

 

         23       A.   Not at that time, I was not, no, sir.

 

         24       Q.   The government didn't ask you to bring that file with

 

         25    you, did they?

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          944

 

 

          1       A.   No, sir.

 

          2       Q.   Did they ever ask you about that case at all to your

 

          3    knowledge?

 

          4       A.   Briefly, briefly.

 

          5       Q.   Okay.

 

          6            THE COURT:  Approach the witness, Your Honor?

 

          7            THE COURT:  Yes, sir.

 

          8            BY MR. LAUGHRUN:

 

          9       Q.   I will ask you, Mr. Johnson, if Defendant's Exhibit 62

 

         10    appears to be an initial client assessment of Mark Barnette that

 

         11    Mr. Haley did 9-23-93?

 

         12       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         13       Q.   And he scored there a what, a 16?

 

         14       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         15       Q.   And what did he score with you when you did yours?

 

         16       A.   A 17.

 

         17       Q.   Now, I would ask you to look at Exhibit 63, and if that

 

         18    appears to be the documents that were from the file that was

 

         19    transferred from Georgia to North Carolina for supervision, and

 

         20    in there is a picture of the defendant holding a placard, is

 

         21    that right, not a very good picture?

 

         22       A.   Yes, that looks like his name.  It's kind of hard to

 

         23    identify who the person is.

 

         24       Q.   There's also a supervision report contact sheet in

 

         25    there, is that right?

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          945

 

 

          1       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          2       Q.   And on the last page of that, it looks like the case was

 

          3    terminated, is that right?

 

          4       A.   That's correct.

 

          5       Q.   And sent back to Georgia, is that right?

 

          6       A.   Yes, sir, 8-1-94.

 

          7       Q.   Now, you told us that in October of '94, you were

 

          8    waiting for approval for the EHA, is that right?

 

          9       A.   I'm sorry, could you repeat that question for me?  I was

 

         10    referring back to my notes.  I'm sorry, go ahead.

 

         11       Q.   Approximately October '94, was your office awaiting

 

         12    approval for what is called EHA, electronic house arrest?

 

         13       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         14       Q.   EHA, correct me if I'm wrong, is the band they put on

 

         15    the individual's ankle or ankle bracelet so that they -- you

 

         16    have a certain time that you are supposed to be home, the

 

         17    computer calls them at various times to make sure people are

 

         18    there, is that correct?

 

         19       A.   That's correct.

 

         20       Q.   And requires a touch tone phone with no call waiting,

 

         21    call forwarding, those type of features, is that correct?

 

         22       A.   That's correct.

 

         23       Q.   Gives you a certain little -- you go a certain amount

 

         24    before it won't work, is that right?

 

         25       A.   Yes, sir, that's correct.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          946

 

 

          1       Q.   And I believe you said that you were waiting to get

 

          2    those devices in October of '94, and still you were trying to

 

          3    set that up with Mr. Barnette in November of '95, is that

 

          4    correct?

 

          5       A.   That's correct.

 

          6       Q.   Still hadn't gotten that approved or set up or whatever,

 

          7    is that right?

 

          8       A.   That's correct.  In order to set that up, though, you

 

          9    have to have a stable residence.  You also have to have a set

 

         10    schedule every day, and he was telling us, of course, that first

 

         11    of all, that he didn't have a set schedule at that time.  He

 

         12    told us, I think I testified a couple times that he said he was

 

         13    working at the Marriott but he didn't have a set schedule, that

 

         14    his schedule rotated.

 

         15       Q.   That's why you couldn't do the EHA, is that right?

 

         16       A.   Well, that was the latter part, but initially we didn't

 

         17    have the equipment to set him up.

 

         18       Q.   Because the State of North Carolina didn't fund it, is

 

         19    that a fair statement?

 

         20       A.   Well, we had a limited number of monitors at that time.

 

         21       Q.   Now, when he was going to do the EHA, that was part of

 

         22    Judge Jessie Caldwell's judgment, was it not?

 

         23       A.   Yes.

 

         24       Q.   And that judgment never was enforced, was it, never was

 

         25    placed into effect due to what you've just told us about?

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          947

 

 

          1       A.   Right, that's correct.

 

          2       Q.   And he missed some office visits, right?

 

          3       A.   (Nods head.)

 

          4       Q.   Unstable employment?

 

          5       A.   (Nods head.)

 

          6       Q.   Unstable residence?

 

          7       A.   (Nods head.)

 

          8       Q.   Right.  Was he paying his money?

 

          9       A.   He was not paying his money, no.

 

         10       Q.   And you said one time he had to go to court for an

 

         11    assault charge in approximately November of '94?

 

         12            MR. CONRAD:  Objection.

 

         13            THE WITNESS:  That's correct.

 

         14            THE COURT:  Overruled.

 

         15            BY MR. LAUGHRUN:

 

         16       Q.   Is that correct?

 

         17       A.   That's correct.

 

         18       Q.   On any one of those, either whether he was convicted or

 

         19    not, a warrant for a probation violation could have been issued,

 

         20    is that right?

 

         21       A.   Well, we don't issue warrants if someone has a pending

 

         22    charge.  It's only a violation of the probation if they're

 

         23    convicted at that point.

 

         24       Q.   You can bring them back for the conduct even if they may

 

         25    be acquitted for the charge, is that a fair statement,

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          948

 

 

          1    technically?

 

          2       A.   Well, we can, yes.  It just depends on -- I'm sure that

 

          3    you certainly know that as many years as you've been a lawyer

 

          4    here in Charlotte that we don't -- normally we don't report

 

          5    people back unless there is a conviction, prior conviction.  On

 

          6    his appointments with me, he was cooperative at the appointments

 

          7    that he did show up.  I was working with him the best that I

 

          8    knew how to work with him.

 

          9       Q.   In fact, he even said that to you in the holding cell,

 

         10    you were straight up with me?

 

         11       A.   Right, right.

 

         12       Q.   Those probation violations that you served, Mr. Johnson,

 

         13    on July 8th of '96 are still outstanding as of right now, is

 

         14    that right?

 

         15       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         16       Q.   They've never been heard, have they?

 

         17       A.   Well, they been continued for many, many different

 

         18    reasons at the request of the defense.

 

         19       Q.   Right, because of his pending matters down here, is that

 

         20    right?

 

         21       A.   That's correct.

 

         22            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Thank you, Judge Potter.

 

         23            MR. CONRAD:  Just briefly, Your Honor.

 

         24                      REBUTTAL REDIRECT EXAMINATION

 

         25            BY MR. CONRAD:

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          949

 

 

          1       Q.   Mr. Johnson, Mr. Laughrun asked you whether or not the

 

          2    government had asked you any questions about his prior probation

 

          3    with Michael Haley.  Are you aware that the government provided

 

          4    the defense with all of the information concerning Michael

 

          5    Haley's previous supervision?

 

          6       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          7       Q.   And the fact is that this defendant was not under

 

          8    Michael Haley's supervision in 1995, is that correct?

 

          9       A.   That's correct.

 

         10       Q.   When he indicated he was living at 3413 West Boulevard

 

         11    or 1708 Flynwood in Charlotte, when, in fact, he was living at

 

         12    1616 Keswick Drive in Roanoke, he was under your supervision at

 

         13    that time?

 

         14       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         15       Q.   And the same is true in 1996 when he killed Donnie Lee

 

         16    Allen and Robin Williams, he was under the supervision related

 

         17    to the felonious restraint here in Charlotte, not supervision

 

         18    related to the felonious cruelty to children out of Georgia?

 

         19       A.   That's correct.

 

         20            MR. CONRAD:  That's all I have.

 

         21            MR. LAUGHRUN:  One question if I may.

 

         22                      REBUTTAL RECROSS-EXAMINATION

 

         23            BY MR. LAUGHRUN:

 

         24       Q.   Mr. Johnson, you didn't provide that document that you

 

         25    testified from, you were not asked to provide them copies of

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          950

 

 

          1    that like you were the other documents, were you?

 

          2       A.   The only way that we can provide any file to anyone is

 

          3    if the Court orders us to do that.

 

          4       Q.   Do you know if the court order provided the Georgia

 

          5    probation we talked about, do you have any knowledge about that

 

          6    at all?

 

          7       A.   No, I have no knowledge about that at all.

 

          8            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Thank you, sir.  Thank you, Judge Potter.

 

          9            THE COURT:  Thank you, sir.

 

         10            Members of the jury, we will take the morning recess at

 

         11    this time.  Do not discuss the case among yourselves while you

 

         12    are out, please.

 

         13            (The jury left the courtroom.)

 

         14            THE COURT:  Mr. Conrad, Mr. Walker how much more do you

 

         15    have?

 

         16            MR. CONRAD:  One witness.

 

         17            THE COURT:  One more witness.

 

         18            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Judge, if I may, I'd like to put

 

         19    something on the record if I may.  We had several bench

 

         20    conferences.  Judge, first the government called Brian Ard about

 

         21    a defendant being terminated for sexual harassment, and that was

 

         22    the only purpose they called him.  We would object, ask the

 

         23    Court to strike his testimony, move for a mistrial and ask the

 

         24    Court to impose a life sentence, strike his testimony in the

 

         25    alternative because that has nothing to do with what was offered

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          951

 

 

          1    by the defense in its case in chief.

 

          2            We would also renew that with regard to Ms. Williams,

 

          3    that there was absolutely nothing she testified to, Judge, that

 

          4    was offered in rebuttal.  Your Honor will recall her testimony.

 

          5    We would move again for a mistrial, Judge, with regard to Joanna

 

          6    Baldwin due to the fact that she has through the government's

 

          7    efforts injected race into this matter.  The jury is composed

 

          8    entirely of whites, the defendant is African-American, the

 

          9    witness was white.  We would again move for a mistrial, would

 

         10    ask Your Honor to impose a life sentence, in the alternative to

 

         11    strike her testimony as being totally irrelevant to the

 

         12    defense's presentation.

 

         13            And also, Judge, with regard to Thad Johnson, who is

 

         14    probably one of best probation officers over there in the state,

 

         15    has nothing to do with what we offered in case in chief.  And

 

         16    the government has stricken from its death notice the low

 

         17    rehabilitative factor.  They did that last Friday.  His

 

         18    testimony had absolutely nothing to do with future

 

         19    dangerousness, et cetera.  It's merely brought to arouse the

 

         20    passions of the jury to say, wow, while on probation, the

 

         21    defendant did A, B, C and D and had nothing to do with what we

 

         22    offered in our case in chief and ask Your Honor for a mistrial

 

         23    on that matter and a life sentence, in the alternative to strike

 

         24    his testimony, if Your Honor please journal.

 

         25            THE COURT:  Thank you, sir.  Do you want to respond,

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          952

 

 

          1    Mr. Conrad?

 

          2            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, all the things Mr. Laughrun

 

          3    objected to were matters we put in after the defense case which

 

          4    involved the character of the defendant's.  Our evidence was

 

          5    offered to rebut that.

 

          6            With respect to the injection of race into this matter,

 

          7    Mr. Laughrun's question to Mr. Ard was, was he the only

 

          8    African-American at Camelot Music store, and I objected on

 

          9    relevance grounds to that.  But that was his, he is the one that

 

         10    injected race into this case.  All that witness was testifying

 

         11    to is what the defendant told her.  And so she is entitled to

 

         12    say what the defendant told her.

 

         13            I would contend with respect to Mr. Johnson's testimony

 

         14    it's highly probative, because we spent a week in here with

 

         15    family members telling this jury that the defendant was at home

 

         16    sitting on a bucket waiting for the police to arrest him for six

 

         17    weeks.  And Mr. Johnson's testimony is those same family members

 

         18    and the defendant himself on previous occasions had indicated

 

         19    that he was living at a residence when, in fact, he was living

 

         20    in a completely different state.  And it goes to their

 

         21    credibility, and it's direct rebuttal evidence of matters

 

         22    brought up into this trial by the defendant during his case in

 

         23    chief.

 

         24            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Judge, if I may, were you finished Bob,

 

         25    I'm sorry, I didn't mean to cut you off.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1            THE COURT:  Are you finished, Mr. Conrad?

 

          2            MR. CONRAD:  Yes, sir.

 

          3            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Judge, the evidence was the warrant for

 

          4    probation arrest was issued 12-15-95.  We'd be happy to call

 

          5    Mr. Johnson back, but the testimony from him, I think, will be

 

          6    once a warrant for arrest of a probationer is issued, they do

 

          7    nothing more.  They don't go out there and try to serve it.  The

 

          8    evidence we offered was from April of 1996 until June of 1996,

 

          9    that's when the defendant was home, quote, sitting on a bucket

 

         10    waiting for the police to arrive.  That's the testimony, sitting

 

         11    in the area.  There is no evidence from Mr. Johnson that he ever

 

         12    went out there in April, May or June of 1995.  And I can tell

 

         13    you the policy is once a warrant for arrest for state probation

 

         14    is issued, probation washes their hands of it and depends on law

 

         15    enforcement to find the defendants.

 

         16            THE COURT:  All right.

 

         17            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, the fact that someone engaged

 

         18    in similar conduct before is directly relevant to their

 

         19    credibility when they say they -- whey they testify about the

 

         20    same type of situation in the future.  This family provided

 

         21    cover for the defendant in the past to help him out on his

 

         22    probation violations, and they came in here and testified as to

 

         23    why it was that he was at home for the six weeks between April

 

         24    and June.  It's directly rebutting that testimony.

 

         25            THE COURT:  All right, thank you, sir.  All of the

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          954

 

 

          1    defendant's motions are denied.  Recess until 11:10.

 

          2            (Brief recess.)

 

          3            THE COURT:  Ready for the jury.

 

          4            MR. CONRAD:  Yes, sir.

 

          5            THE COURT:  Call the jury.

 

          6            (The jury returned to the courtroom.).

 

          7            THE COURT:  They're supposed to be cooling it down for

 

          8    us.  All right Mr. Conrad.

 

          9            MR. CONRAD:  I had the witness Thad Johnson identify an

 

         10    exhibit with no objection from the defendant, and I wish to move

 

         11    admission now and ask to pass it to the jury, Government's

 

         12    Exhibit 66.

 

         13            THE COURT:  66?

 

         14            MR. LAUGHRUN:  That's correct, we have no objection.

 

         15            THE COURT:  Let it be admitted.  Call your next witness.

 

         16            MR. CONRAD:  United States would call Dr. Scott Duncan.

 

         17                      DR. SCOTT DUNCAN

 

         18    being first duly sworn, was examined and testified as follows:

 

         19            DIRECT EXAMINATION

 

         20            BY MR. CONRAD:

 

         21       Q.   Would you tell the jury your name?

 

         22       A.   Scott Duncan.

 

         23       Q.   Dr. Duncan, how are you employed?

 

         24       A.   I am the forensic coordinator, forensic psychology

 

         25    coordinator at the United States Penitentiary in Atlanta,

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    Georgia.

 

          2       Q.   How long have you been so employed?

 

          3       A.   In that particular position, I have been employed

 

          4    approximately four and a half to five years.

 

          5       Q.   Prior to that what was your employment?

 

          6       A.   I have been with the federal Bureau of Prisons since the

 

          7    28th of August, 1989.  Within my employment with the Federal

 

          8    Bureau of Prisons, I initially came on as a staff psychologist,

 

          9    where I served in that capacity for about four months.  And then

 

         10    I was promoted to acting chief psychologist at the federal

 

         11    penitentiary in Atlanta and was subsequently then promoted to

 

         12    the chief position.

 

         13            I remained in that position for approximately two years,

 

         14    and I transferred as the assistant psychology services

 

         15    administrator in our Washington D.C. Office.  After that

 

         16    position I transferred back to Atlanta and have been in the

 

         17    position of forensic psychology coordinator since.

 

         18       Q.   Prior to 1989 when you became a staff psychiatrist with

 

         19    USP Atlanta, what was your employment?

 

         20       A.   As a doctoral level psychologist, I had worked for

 

         21    approximately 11 months at the Mecklenburg, what was then known

 

         22    as the Mecklenburg Community Mental Health Center here in

 

         23    Charlotte.  I believe it's currently called the Community Mental

 

         24    Health Center and is part of the Charlotte Hospital Authority,

 

         25    but it was the facilities on Billingsley Road here in Charlotte.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       Q.   Now, Dr. Duncan what is your educational background?

 

          2       A.   I hold a bachelor's degree in psychology from Oterbine

 

          3    College, I received that in 1983.  I hold a masters in clinical

 

          4    psychology from Morehead State University in Morehead,

 

          5    Kentucky.  And I hold a doctorate of psychology degree which I

 

          6    received in 1988 from the Florida Institute of Technology in

 

          7    Melbourne, Florida.

 

          8       Q.   What types of training have you had other than your

 

          9    educational training in the area of psychology?

 

         10       A.   I have had a lot of specialty training particularly in

 

         11    the area of forensic psychology.  Forensic psychology is the

 

         12    application of psychological principles to the legal setting.

 

         13       Q.   Are you a diplomate with any particular organization?

 

         14       A.   Yes, sir, I hold a diplomate with the American Board of

 

         15    Forensic examiners and a diplomate with the American Board of

 

         16    Forensic Medicine.

 

         17       Q.   And what is involved in holding a diplomate status with

 

         18    those two organizations?

 

         19       A.   The involvement or how one becomes a diplomate in that

 

         20    organization is based on your level of experience.  I believe

 

         21    you have to have at least five years of experience in a forensic

 

         22    discipline, and then I believe another qualification is that you

 

         23    cannot have any ethical violations, previous ethical violations

 

         24    against you.  And then it's -- they take your experience and

 

         25    it's placed on a point system based on your number of years that

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    you have worked in forensics and the forensic area and based on

 

          2    the number of times you have testified.  And it's basically

 

          3    based on experience in the area of forensic psychology or in the

 

          4    area of forensic examinations.

 

          5       Q.   In addition to your educational background, do you have

 

          6    teaching experience?

 

          7       A.   Yes, sir.  I am an adjunct professor at the Georgia

 

          8    School of Professional Psychology in Atlanta.

 

          9            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, I would move at this time to

 

         10    qualify Dr. Duncan as an expert in forensic psychology.

 

         11            THE COURT:  The Court will so find.

 

         12            BY MR. CONRAD:

 

         13       Q.   As part of your duties with USP Atlanta, do you conduct

 

         14    evaluations in your current position?

 

         15       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         16       Q.   What type of evaluations do you do?

 

         17       A.   We perform evaluations for the federal courts.  All of

 

         18    the evaluations that we conduct are conducted based on a court

 

         19    order from a particular federal judge.  The typical referral

 

         20    questions that we get at our facility in Atlanta are either the

 

         21    issue of whether the individual is competent to stand trial or

 

         22    whether the person was insane at the time of an offense.  We can

 

         23    get other referrals but those are the typical referrals that we

 

         24    get.

 

         25       Q.   Are you aware in this case that that's the reason that

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    the defendant, Mark Barnette, was sent to Butner for that

 

          2    two-fold evaluation?

 

          3       A.   Yes, sir, my understanding was and my review of the

 

          4    Butner records indicated that he was sent to there to the Butner

 

          5    facility prior to our -- Dr. Grant and my evaluation of him.

 

          6       Q.   And he was found competent to stand trial?

 

          7       A.   That was their opinion, yes, sir.

 

          8       Q.   And not insane at the time he committed the offense?

 

          9       A.   That was their professional opinion, yes.

 

         10       Q.   How many evaluations have you conducted?

 

         11       A.   Within the federal system, I don't know that I could

 

         12    give you an exact number, I know in the last -- I've been

 

         13    conducting them for the last eight and a half years, and in that

 

         14    time period I have conducted over 300 such evaluations.

 

         15       Q.   And tell the jury how that process works?

 

         16       A.   Typically as I communicated before, we get a court order

 

         17    from a federal judge, and then based on what the Court order

 

         18    says, we -- the individual is typically sent to our facility for

 

         19    either a 30 or 45 day period of evaluation.  We typically

 

         20    conduct psychological testing and review of any and all

 

         21    information that we can get our hands on, we prepare a report,

 

         22    and we submit it back to the Court.

 

         23       Q.   Now, have you ever testified as an expert witness

 

         24    before?

 

         25       A.   Yes, sir, I have.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       Q.   How many occasions?

 

          2       A.   The exact number of occasions, I'm not precisely sure.

 

          3    I know that I have been deemed as an expert witness in 16

 

          4    different states or federal jurisdictions.  I have performed

 

          5    forensic evaluations for over 150 different federal judges, and

 

          6    as I said before, I've been doing this for the last eight and a

 

          7    half years.

 

          8       Q.   Have you testified as an expert in North Carolina

 

          9    federal court?

 

         10       A.   Yes, I have.

 

         11       Q.   On how many occasions?

 

         12       A.   To the best of my recollection I testified in North

 

         13    Carolina on six occasions.

 

         14       Q.   Of those six cases, how many times did you testify for

 

         15    the defense and how many times were you called by the

 

         16    prosecution?

 

         17       A.   I have testified in North Carolina three times for the

 

         18    defense and three times for the prosecution.

 

         19       Q.   On average, how many times are you called to testify by

 

         20    the defense in the over 150 evaluations that you have done?

 

         21       A.   On average, when I am called to testify, I have

 

         22    testified approximately 40 percent of the time for the

 

         23    defendant, and approximately 60 percent of the time for the

 

         24    prosecution.

 

         25       Q.   And do I understand your testimony to be that you

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          960

 

 

          1    conduct an evaluation as a result of a court order and submit

 

          2    that evaluation to the court?

 

          3       A.   Yes, sir.  When we have a defendant that we are

 

          4    evaluating, what we tell the defendant is that we are conducting

 

          5    the evaluation upon judge so and so's court order.  That in that

 

          6    capacity we are working for the judge, we are not working for

 

          7    the prosecutor, not working for the defense; that anything that

 

          8    we go over in the evaluation or glean from the evaluation is not

 

          9    held confidential and that information could be supplied in a

 

         10    report which goes back to the Judge, and that the prosecutor and

 

         11    the defense attorney will both get copies of that report that

 

         12    goes to the judge.

 

         13       Q.   And then it depends on whether you are subpoenaed by the

 

         14    defense attorney or the prosecution as to whether you testify

 

         15    for the defense or for the prosecution?

 

         16       A.   Yes, sir.  I assume is that it depends on who

 

         17    the -- whoever -- whichever side my report favors.

 

         18       Q.   Did you evaluate the defendant, Aquilia Marcivicci

 

         19    Barnette, in this case?

 

         20       A.   Yes, sir, I did.

 

         21       Q.   And have you ever evaluated a defendant in a death

 

         22    penalty context before?

 

         23       A.   Not -- I have not evaluated a defendant in the context

 

         24    of a death penalty case.  I did perform a federal evaluation on

 

         25    a defendant, the case was United States versus Thomas Elder, and

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    the evaluation I performed was for competency and

 

          2    responsibility.

 

          3            After his federal charges were taken care of I believe

 

          4    he was convicted.  The State of Tennessee also brought capital

 

          5    murder charges, and I was asked based on my previous evaluation

 

          6    to go to Tennessee and testify in a sentencing hearing to

 

          7    determine whether Mr. Elder was mentally retarded.  And I

 

          8    testified in that capacity which was connected with a capital

 

          9    issue.

 

         10       Q.   And that's the extent of your death penalty litigation,

 

         11    if you will?

 

         12       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         13       Q.   You don't take a slide slow around the country and

 

         14    testify in death penalty cases several times a year?

 

         15       A.   No, sir.

 

         16       Q.   And how are you paid, Dr. Duncan?  I'm not asking for

 

         17    what you are paid.

 

         18       A.   That's public knowledge, too.  I am paid by the United

 

         19    States Justice Department.  I am a salaried employee, salary of

 

         20    G.S. 13, step 10, I believe.

 

         21       Q.   Now, are you paid any differently because you are in

 

         22    Charlotte participating in this case than you would be if you

 

         23    were at USP Atlanta doing your job there?

 

         24       A.   The only difference in pay that I would realize in being

 

         25    in Charlotte is that I am here in Charlotte and not in Atlanta,

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    and I have private practices in Atlanta, so I'm losing a little

 

          2    money by being here.  But with regards to the penitentiary pay

 

          3    the pay is no different.

 

          4       Q.   Now, you testified that you did exam the defendant in

 

          5    this case?

 

          6       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          7       Q.   When did you do that?

 

          8       A.   The first interview that myself and Dr. Grant had with

 

          9    the defendant was on the 29th of December of 1997.

 

         10       Q.   And then did you have a subsequent interview of

 

         11    defendant as well?

 

         12       A.   Yes, sir, I believe we reinterviewed him on the 19th of

 

         13    January of this year.

 

         14       Q.   What other material did you rely upon in preparation for

 

         15    your testimony today?

 

         16       A.   If I may refer to my report.  I can be brief and say

 

         17    that we took a look at over, in my count it was 2774 pages of

 

         18    discovery materials involved in the case.  In addition to that

 

         19    we interviewed the defendant on two separate occasions for a

 

         20    total of approximately seven hours, one hour of that was

 

         21    psychological testing.

 

         22       Q.   Did you conduct any third party interviews?

 

         23       A.   Yes, sir.  I was personally involved in a face-to-face

 

         24    interview with Natasha Heard, the -- an ex-girlfriend of the

 

         25    defendant and mother of his two children.  Dr. Grant interviewed

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          963

 

 

          1    Keesha Heard, the sister of Natasha, on the telephone and he and

 

          2    I had extensive conversation about that interview.

 

          3            Dr. Grant also interviewed Crystal Dennis, who was an

 

          4    ex-girlfriend of the defendant, and he also interviewed

 

          5    face-to-face with Alesha Chambers, who was an ex-girlfriend of

 

          6    the defendant.  I have reviewed the Butner evaluation and record

 

          7    based on his --

 

          8            THE COURT:  Could you gentlemen come up here just a

 

          9    moment please.

 

         10            (Bench conference not recorded.).

 

         11            THE COURT:  Excuse me.

 

         12            BY MR. CONRAD:

 

         13       Q.   I believe you just testified that you had reviewed the

 

         14    psychiatric report at Butner FCI?

 

         15       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         16       Q.   And what other reports did you review?

 

         17       A.   I reviewed the report and raw test data of Dr. Faye

 

         18    Sultan, I reviewed the report of Dr. Cunningham, and the report

 

         19    of Dr. Halleck, also the reports of and subsequent test data of

 

         20    Dr. Tyson, I believe.

 

         21       Q.   Let me approach and hand to you what's been marked for

 

         22    identification as Government's Exhibit 70, and ask you to turn

 

         23    to the medical records section of that three-ring binder and I

 

         24    will ask you if you reviewed all of the medical records

 

         25    contained in that section?

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          964

 

 

          1       A.   Yes, sir, this looks like the -- I actually reviewed

 

          2    this entire binder.

 

          3       Q.   Dr. Duncan, did you review anything else other than what

 

          4    you just testified to?

 

          5       A.   I believe I also reviewed the defendant's probation

 

          6    records, the defendant's school records, I inspected the

 

          7    Charlotte crime scene, the Donald Allen crime scene on two

 

          8    separate occasions.  I did an inspection, if you will, from the

 

          9    road, I drove by Mr. Barnette's house where he was living prior

 

         10    to the times that -- his mother's house.  And I also observed

 

         11    from the road the apartment complex that he identified that he,

 

         12    his mother and brother lived in after the parents divorced, the

 

         13    Wendover Road Apartments.  I inspected the scene where the car

 

         14    was left following the murders, and I think off the top of my

 

         15    head that's the majority of the material that I reviewed.

 

         16       Q.   Did you, based on that review and the examinations that

 

         17    you conducted on two occasions with this defendant, did you

 

         18    arrive at a diagnosis of the defendant?

 

         19       A.   Yes, sir, Dr. Grant and I both arrived at a diagnosis.

 

         20       Q.   And did you prepare a written report which contained

 

         21    your findings with respect to that diagnosis?

 

         22       A.   Yes, sir, we did.

 

         23       Q.   Now, when was that report prepared?

 

         24       A.   I think the final copy was prepared and submitted on the

 

         25    29th of January of this year.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       Q.   Subsequent to preparation of that report, did you

 

          2    continue to do interviews and assessment of data and

 

          3    information?

 

          4       A.   Yes, sir, we continued to do interviews and with so much

 

          5    material involved in the case, we continued to go back through

 

          6    the material an re-read it and pick up information the second

 

          7    and third time.  We were reviewing over 3000 pages.

 

          8       Q.   And did any of that change your opinion as that is

 

          9    reflected in your report that you said was filed January 29th?

 

         10       A.   The only thing that I did change, it did not change my

 

         11    diagnosis, the only thing that it did change was the score that

 

         12    I reported in the report, on an instrument called the

 

         13    psychopathy check list revised.

 

         14            MR. WILLIAMS:  Objection, Your Honor, for the previous

 

         15    reasons for the record.

 

         16            THE COURT:  Overruled.

 

         17            THE WITNESS: I believe I reported in the report that he

 

         18    obtained a score of 32.  When we gleaned more information, or

 

         19    when I gleaned more information and went back and rescored the

 

         20    test the defendant scored a total score of 35.

 

         21            BY MR. CONRAD:

 

         22       Q.   Now, that's a psychopathy checklist PCL-R?

 

         23       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         24       Q.   What is a PCL-R?

 

         25       A.   The PCL-R is an instrument that is designed to measure

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    the theoretical concept called psychopathy.  The concept has

 

          2    been in existence since the late 1950's, early 1960's, and it

 

          3    has changed a bit.  The PCL-R was devised by a psychologist by

 

          4    the name of Dr. Robert Hare who is professor at the University

 

          5    of British Columbia in Canada, and Dr. Hare has spent over 25

 

          6    years researching psychopaths and developed the instrument known

 

          7    as the PCL-R.

 

          8       Q.   And why did you rescore the test as you previously

 

          9    indicated?

 

         10       A.   Well, the first time that I had scored the test, the

 

         11    PCL-R was after our first interview of the defendant.  Then as

 

         12    more information came in and as we were able to talk with his

 

         13    previous girlfriends and re-read back through the 3000 plus

 

         14    pages, it became apparent that there were some items that I had

 

         15    missed the first time around.

 

         16            So I felt that it was important to rescore the PCL-R,

 

         17    and when I did I felt that in three specific areas I did miss

 

         18    items which increased his score.

 

         19       Q.   I see.  The first time you interviewed the defendant,

 

         20    you did not go into the facts surrounding the murders of Donnie

 

         21    Lee Allen and Robin Williams?

 

         22       A.   We tried.

 

         23            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Objection, would like to be heard.

 

         24            BY MR. CONRAD:

 

         25       Q.   My question is you didn't go into the facts?

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          967

 

 

          1       A.   No, sir.

 

          2            THE COURT:  You have an objection?

 

          3            MR. LAUGHRUN:  I don't object to that.

 

          4            THE COURT:  Go ahead.

 

          5            BY MR. CONRAD:

 

          6       Q.   In the second interview you did go into the facts with

 

          7    the defendant, is that correct?

 

          8       A.   Yes, the second interview was approximately two and a

 

          9    half hours in length, and 99 percent of that time was spent

 

         10    discussing the crimes, from the fire bombing until the Williams

 

         11    murder in Roanoke, Virginia.

 

         12       Q.   Now, would you tell the jury what your conclusions were

 

         13    as a result of all of the examination and investigation in this

 

         14    case?

 

         15       A.   With regards to his diagnosis or --

 

         16       Q.   In regards to his diagnosis.

 

         17       A.   We felt that he had a diagnosis -- several diagnoses

 

         18    that we made.  I probably should preface that by saying the

 

         19    instrument or the text that we used in diagnosing was the

 

         20    Diagnostic and Statistical Manual, Fourth Edition, otherwise

 

         21    known as the DSM-4, and in that diagnosis manual we diagnosed

 

         22    the defendant with adult antisocial behavior of axis one and

 

         23    borderline personality disorder with antisocial narcissistic

 

         24    traits on axis two.  Apart from that I also felt that the

 

         25    defendant met the criteria both from the PCL-R and from observed

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          968

 

 

          1    behavior of being a psychopath.

 

          2       Q.   Now, the mentioned the word axis, would you tell the

 

          3    jury what that means, axis one, axis two, three, four?

 

          4       A.   Axis one is out of the DSM-4 is designed to -- it's the

 

          5    place where you put all mental health diagnoses with the

 

          6    exception of personality disorders and mental retardation.

 

          7    Personality disorders and mental retardation are reflected in

 

          8    axis two, but everything else goes in axis one.

 

          9       Q.   What is a personality disorder?

 

         10       A.   A personality disorder -- well, let me first say that

 

         11    personality is -- it's those characteristics that we all have

 

         12    that make us who we are.  It's those things that make us unique

 

         13    and that we use to interact with people, and otherwise known to

 

         14    people as whether somebody's got a good personality or a bad

 

         15    personality.  Given that, a personality disorder is those

 

         16    characteristics, but those characteristics that an individual

 

         17    has are so inflexible and rigid that it causes personal problems

 

         18    in their every day life.  It causes them problems on the job, it

 

         19    causes them problem in their relationships, causes them problems

 

         20    often times in the legal system.

 

         21            But we are also not talking about a single event where

 

         22    you go in you have a bad day and you have an argument with your

 

         23    boss, we are talking about a lifelong pattern of the way an

 

         24    individual interacts with their environment.  And that's

 

         25    basically what a personality disorder is.  The DSM-4 identifies

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    10 separate personality disorders.

 

          2       Q.   Does a personality disorder prevent a person from

 

          3    knowing right from wrong?

 

          4       A.   No, sir.

 

          5       Q.   What is a -- is borderline personality disorder one of

 

          6    the 10 personality disorders listed in DSM-4?

 

          7       A.   Yes, it is.

 

          8       Q.   What is borderline personality disorder?

 

          9       A.   The basic characterization of borderline personality

 

         10    disorder is one who has a difficult time in relationships.  A

 

         11    very difficult time, not just in one relationship but they show

 

         12    relationship problems throughout their adult life.

 

         13            There are nine specific criteria or symptoms listed in

 

         14    the DSM-4 under borderline personality disorder.  In order to

 

         15    meet the diagnosis you have to have at least five.  It could be

 

         16    any five but you have to have at least five of those specific

 

         17    criteria.

 

         18       Q.   And did the defendant meet at least five of those

 

         19    criteria?

 

         20       A.   In Dr. Grant's and my opinion, he met six out of the

 

         21    nine.

 

         22       Q.   And what symptoms were those?

 

         23       A.   The first category was frantic efforts to avoid real or

 

         24    imaged abandonment.  The second was impulsivity.  In at least

 

         25    two areas in we felt that he was impulsive; in the area of

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    having multiple sexual partners and having recurrent bouts with

 

          2    alcohol use -- abuse.  The third area was recurrent suicidal

 

          3    behavior, gestures or threats, although we didn't find any

 

          4    evidence that -- collateral evidence that the defendant ever

 

          5    engaged in suicidal behavior.

 

          6            He did report having threats of suicide, and we got

 

          7    collateral information that he had threatened suicide.  The

 

          8    fourth area was what is called affective instability due to

 

          9    marked reaction of mood.  And what that basically is is, does

 

         10    the individual's behavior change a lot in their mood, is it very

 

         11    fluctuating at times.  We observed that in our interviews, and

 

         12    we got that information both from the defendant as he described

 

         13    his past and from collateral information.

 

         14            The fifth area was inappropriate intense anger or

 

         15    difficulty controlling anger.  We got that from the interview

 

         16    from the defendant and other people.  And then the sixth one was

 

         17    transient stress-related paranoid thoughts.  The defendant

 

         18    reported, as well as his previous girlfriends, that he would

 

         19    often accuse them of being unfaithful to him and be paranoid

 

         20    about their stepping out on him in relationships.

 

         21            So we felt that he meet those six criteria, and again we

 

         22    needed to meet five of those in order to give the diagnosis.

 

         23       Q.   Is the term antisocial trait familiar with you?

 

         24       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         25       Q.   What is an antisocial trait?

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          971

 

 

          1       A.   Well, there is a separate diagnosis, personality

 

          2    disorder, one of the 10 is called antisocial personality

 

          3    disorder.  Under that disorder, like borderline personality, it

 

          4    has a list of traits or symptom characteristics.  In the

 

          5    personality disorders, if someone meets some of the traits but

 

          6    doesn't have enough of the traits to meet the full blown

 

          7    disorder, then you can specify that they have either antisocial

 

          8    traits or in his case antisocial and narcissistic traits.

 

          9       Q.   Did the defendant have antisocial and narcissistic

 

         10    traits?

 

         11       A.   Yes, he did.

 

         12       Q.   Describe what you mean by that to jury?

 

         13       A.   The antisocial personality disorder has seven different

 

         14    categories of traits, and of those seven, Mr. Barnette, we felt

 

         15    fit all seven of them, but we did not diagnosis him with

 

         16    antisocial personality disorder because you have to have three

 

         17    of the seven, but you have to show that they have at least three

 

         18    of those since the age of 15.

 

         19            We were able to document that he had the behaviors, all

 

         20    seven of the behaviors since the age of 18, but could not go

 

         21    back to age of 15.  So therefore we downgrade it to antisocial

 

         22    traits rather than the full blown disorder.

 

         23       Q.   And with respect to narcissistic traits?

 

         24       A.   We felt that he met four of possible nine traits with a

 

         25    narcissistic personality disorder.  In order to make that full

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          972

 

 

          1    blown disorder you have to have five.

 

          2       Q.   Now, what is narcissistic traits?

 

          3       A.   Narcissistic traits, the specific one that he had --

 

          4    that we felt that he had, one was that he requires excessive

 

          5    admiration.  And we got that a lot from his interviews with his

 

          6    ex-girlfriends.  Second one, he has a sense of entitlement, that

 

          7    was very prevalent during our interviews of the defendant.  The

 

          8    third one was, he has -- he is interpersonally exploitative.  He

 

          9    takes advantage of others.  And the fourth one is he lacks

 

         10    empathy.  And again, we observed that during our interviews of

 

         11    the defendant.

 

         12       Q.   Now, was there anything with respect to your diagnosis

 

         13    of borderline personality disorder or analysis of antisocial and

 

         14    narcissistic traits, anything about that make you conclude that

 

         15    the defendant did not know right from wrong?

 

         16       A.   No, sir, there are no symptoms in any of those which

 

         17    would preclude one from knowing the difference between right or

 

         18    wrong.

 

         19       Q.   Or to be able to control one's behavior and know what he

 

         20    is doing when he is committing a crime?

 

         21       A.   That's correct.  None of those symptoms would suggest

 

         22    that an individual wouldn't know what they were doing or be able

 

         23    to control what they were doing.

 

         24       Q.   Let me turn your attention back to the conclusion you

 

         25    drew that the defendant was a psychopath based upon the PCL-R?

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          973

 

 

          1       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          2       Q.   And I will ask you how you came to that conclusion?

 

          3       A.   The conclusion --

 

          4       Q.   Before you tell us how you came to that conclusion, will

 

          5    you describe for the jury what a psychopath is?

 

          6       A.   Certainly.  In general, a psychopath is an individual

 

          7    who lacks the ability to feel at the same level and have the

 

          8    intensity of what feelings are as compared to nonpsychopathic

 

          9    individuals.  Typically they are very callous, manipulative,

 

         10    calculating, individuals that will often exploit other people.

 

         11    There is research to suggest that biologically, they do not

 

         12    respond to what nonpsychopaths view as fear and anxiety which

 

         13    are two emotions that make up what we refer to as remorse or

 

         14    guilt.  The psychopath is an individual that has little if any

 

         15    ability to feel remorse or guilt for behavior they engage in.

 

         16       Q.   Now, did you come to the conclusion in your report and

 

         17    as you testified today that the defendant is a psychopath?

 

         18       A.   That was based on the behavior that we saw during our

 

         19    interviews of the defendant, also based on a review of the

 

         20    material that I had cited earlier and based on how he eventually

 

         21    scored out on the Hare Psychopathy Checklist Revised.

 

         22       Q.   Is psychopathy a formal diagnosis?

 

         23       A.   No, sir, it is not a diagnosis formally listed in the

 

         24    DSM-4.

 

         25       Q.   Why is it important to establish whether or not a

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          974

 

 

          1    defendant is a psychopath?

 

          2       A.   Well, psychopaths are -- criminal psychopaths are twice

 

          3    as likely to engage in future criminal behavior when compared to

 

          4    noncriminal psychopaths.  Criminal psychopaths are three times

 

          5    as likely to engage in violent future criminal behavior when

 

          6    compared to nonpsychopathic criminals.  Although in any prison

 

          7    population only about 20 percent of that population typically

 

          8    are psychopaths, they are responsible for over 50 percent of

 

          9    violent crimes that are committed.  Also, identifying someone as

 

         10    a psychopath helps institutions to be able to place them either

 

         11    in a maximum or lower security penitentiary based on what they

 

         12    score out.

 

         13            Also it helps us to know, psychopaths are typically very

 

         14    resistent to changing their behavior.  And there is some

 

         15    evidence to suggest that if we try traditional forms of

 

         16    psychotherapy with psychopaths it will actually make them

 

         17    worse.  So a lot of that information becomes important in being

 

         18    able to identify whether one has psychopathic characteristics or

 

         19    not.

 

         20       Q.   Now, in assessing someone as a psychopath, does it make

 

         21    you conclude that that person is somehow less accountable for

 

         22    the crimes he has committed than others?

 

         23       A.   No, sir, there is nothing about a person being a

 

         24    psychopath that would make them in my opinion at all less

 

         25    accountable for the behavior they engage in their behavior with

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          975

 

 

          1    full knowledge of what they are doing, they just don't seem to

 

          2    care.

 

          3       Q.   Would you tell the jury how you conducted the PCL-R

 

          4    checklist and what the items are that go into that check list?

 

          5       A.   The PCL-R is a rating scale.  First you are to do an

 

          6    extensive interview of the individual and a collateral review of

 

          7    collateral information, certain other sources of information.

 

          8    And then based on that you go through and there are 20 different

 

          9    categories, and you go through each of the categories and you

 

         10    see how that individual compares on that category.  If he

 

         11    didn't -- he or she doesn't have any of the symptoms on that

 

         12    category they get a score of zero.  If they have some of the

 

         13    symptoms but not all of the symptoms they get a score of one.

 

         14    And if they have a large number of the symptoms in that

 

         15    particular category they get a score of two.  And you do that

 

         16    for the 20 categories with a total possible point -- total

 

         17    possible points of 40.

 

         18       Q.   And did you do that with the defendant?

 

         19       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         20       Q.   What 20 categories did you go over with him?

 

         21       A.   The categories, the first category is entitled glibness

 

         22    and superficial charm.  I scored the defendant a two on that

 

         23    one.  Grandiose sense of self worth is the second category, I

 

         24    scored the individual one on that category.  Item three is need

 

         25    for stimulation or proneness to boredom, the defendant scored a

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          976

 

 

          1    two.  Four is pathological lying.  Originally I scored the

 

          2    defendant 1 on that, but when I got -- had a chance to talk with

 

          3    other individuals and go back through the material and compare,

 

          4    he was upgraded from a one to a two.

 

          5            Item five was conning, and it's called conning and

 

          6    manipulating.  I scored him a one.  Number six, lack of remorse

 

          7    or guilt, I scored a two.  Number seven, shallow affect,

 

          8    originally scored a one, but after the interviews and then going

 

          9    back through additional information, I upgraded him to a two.

 

         10    Eight is callousness or lack of empathy.  He scored a two.  Nine

 

         11    is parasitic life style he scored two.  10 is poor behavior

 

         12    controls, he scored two.  11 is promiscuous sexual behavior, he

 

         13    scored two.  12 was early behavior problems and he scored a 1.

 

         14    13 lack of realistic long-term goals, he scored two.  14 was

 

         15    impulsivity, he scored two.  15 was irresponsibility, which he

 

         16    scored two.  16 was failure to accept responsibility for his own

 

         17    actions, he scored two.  17, called many short-term martial

 

         18    relationships, but marital relationship is identified in the

 

         19    manual as, and I'm quoting here a live in relationship that

 

         20    involves some degree of commitment from one or both partners.

 

         21            Originally I scored him one, but in gleaning more

 

         22    information he scored out as two.  On 18 it's juvenile

 

         23    delinquency.  On this the individual has to have contact with

 

         24    the juvenile courts before the age of 12, and we didn't see any

 

         25    contact before the age of 12, so he got a zero.  19, was

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          977

 

 

          1    revocation of conditional release which includes behavior that

 

          2    would violate probation if the individual is on probation, and

 

          3    he scored two.  And then 20 was criminal versatility, and in

 

          4    that category the PCL-R lists about 20 different types of

 

          5    crimes, and if the individual has six or more of that specific

 

          6    type of crime then he score scores a two.  And the defendant

 

          7    scored two on that.

 

          8       Q.   Now, do psychopaths look any different than other

 

          9    people?

 

         10       A.   No, sir.  The psychopath, probably one of their best

 

         11    assets and probably one of the greatest fears of nonpsychopaths

 

         12    is their ability to look normal.  We would all like to be able

 

         13    to think that we can pick out the psychopaths from the

 

         14    nonpsychopaths in the community, but none of us are immune to

 

         15    that.

 

         16            I was duped by a psychopath a couple of years ago --

 

         17            MR. WILLIAMS:  Well, objection Your Honor.

 

         18            THE COURT:  I will sustain that.

 

         19            THE WITNESS:  The psychopath, as I say, has the ability

 

         20    to look very normal.  However, if you know what you are looking

 

         21    for, it is kind of like seeing a bowel of fruit, and you say to

 

         22    yourself, gosh that bowl of fruit looks wonderful, it looks very

 

         23    good.  But when you get close to the bowel of fruit and pick it

 

         24    up you realize that it's fake fruit.  And the psychopath is a

 

         25    lot that way.  And they look very, very normal, but when you

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          978

 

 

          1    know what to look for, you can see things in their behavior, not

 

          2    their appearance necessarily as much as things in their

 

          3    behavior, which identify them as psychopaths.

 

          4       Q.   Did Mr. Barnette display any of these behavior symptoms

 

          5    to you in the course of your six or so hours of interviewing and

 

          6    examining him?

 

          7       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          8       Q.   Would you relate that to the jury?

 

          9       A.   I can relate some examples.  One was just a very

 

         10    occasional description of, particularly in the second interview,

 

         11    where all we talked about were the murders and the fire

 

         12    bombing.  And during that entire two and a half hour interview,

 

         13    the defendant presented the material when he was describing what

 

         14    he did and his actions in a very callous way, that if you were

 

         15    not careful you would walk away from the conversation thinking

 

         16    that you had had a conversation about a football game.

 

         17            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Objection.

 

         18            MR. WILLIAMS:  Objection Your Honor, that is conclusory.

 

         19            THE COURT:  Overruled, he is an expert.

 

         20            THE WITNESS:  An example of that was in the individual

 

         21    showing his behavior or showing his emotions in the two and a

 

         22    half interview where he discussed in great detail his actions

 

         23    during the murders and fire bombing.  He didn't show any

 

         24    emotion.  Occasionally he would put his hand over his head and

 

         25    look down.  But he didn't show any change of his emotion or

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          979

 

 

          1    affect.

 

          2            There was one exception to that, and that was when Dr.

 

          3    Grant had indicated that his description of his own depression

 

          4    wasn't consistent with his behavior.  And the defendant took

 

          5    that as Dr. Grant saying this he did not believe him to be

 

          6    suicidal, and he got -- it was kind of like flipping a switch.

 

          7    He got very angry, his voice increased, he got up on the edge of

 

          8    his chair.  I was sitting on the side of the table holding a big

 

          9    binder, and I felt the need to put the binder down in case he

 

         10    was going to go further than the edge of his chair and at that

 

         11    point he restrained himself, and he started to tear up and cry a

 

         12    little bit.  But that was the only point during the interview

 

         13    where he got emotional when he thought we were suggesting that

 

         14    he was not suicidal.

 

         15            I don't know whether -- when the defendant was talking

 

         16    about the murders, and none of us had had lunch, and the prison

 

         17    guards brought in a sack lunch for the defendant.  And I was

 

         18    struck by the defendant's ability to sit and discuss his actions

 

         19    during the murders and at the same time he was not missing a

 

         20    bite on his bologna and cheese sandwich.

 

         21            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Objection to relevance.

 

         22            THE COURT:  Overruled.

 

         23            THE WITNESS:  That's the kind of callousness and

 

         24    indifference that a psychopath typically will show, and those

 

         25    are some characteristic symptoms of psychopath that I observed.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          980

 

 

          1            BY MR. CONRAD:

 

          2       Q.   Did the defendant in that interview express feeling of

 

          3    fear or anger or motivation with respect to the Donald Lee Allen

 

          4    murder?

 

          5       A.   Yes, that was another telling issue to me, that perhaps

 

          6    who I was dealing with was a psychopath.  Psychopaths have a

 

          7    very difficult time feeling fear.  As I indicated before, fear

 

          8    and anxiety, which is the premise for remorse and guilt, and

 

          9    often times a psychopath will be able to tell you that I feel

 

         10    this or I feel that, but won't be ability to describe what those

 

         11    feelings are because they don't have the basis to be able to

 

         12    describe them.

 

         13            When the defendant was talking about the Donnie Allen

 

         14    murder scene, initially we asked him how he felt and he said

 

         15    that he didn't know.  And then later we asked him the same

 

         16    question and he said that he felt an extreme amount of fear,

 

         17    which is what I recall he indicated to the police officers

 

         18    during his interviews.  And then he later changed that to state

 

         19    that he was feeling a great amount of anger and was afraid that

 

         20    if he did not disable in some way Mr. Allen that Mr. Allen would

 

         21    prevent him from getting to Virginia.

 

         22            But if you take a look at his description of feeling

 

         23    fear and the conditions in which that happened, what you have is

 

         24    a man that is holding a shotgun that he knows that works with

 

         25    shells in the shotgun holding another man, the other man

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          981

 

 

          1    according to Mr. Barnette, Mr. Allen never was aggressive

 

          2    towards him, the only behavior he showed was to plead not for

 

          3    Mr. Barnette not to hurt him.  So you have this situation where

 

          4    Mr. Allen is taken to the side of the road and eventually shot.

 

          5    You have to -- I had to walk away from that and say, what about

 

          6    this particular context would make Mr. Barnette fearful?

 

          7            And I suppose the only explanation I came up with was

 

          8    fear of being caught, but obviously that was not a great fear or

 

          9    the behavior wouldn't have been engaged in to begin with.  So

 

         10    it's mixing up those feelings and not knowing how one,

 

         11    particularly in the feelings of fear, not being able to

 

         12    experience fear like the rest of us experience fear.

 

         13       Q.   Now, did you review any testing or analysis dealing with

 

         14    the issue of compassion?

 

         15       A.   Yes, sir, although I -- it was interesting to me, I

 

         16    didn't put a great deal of evidence or weight on it, but it was

 

         17    interesting to me in reviewing his previous test results, the

 

         18    test results I believe from Butner was on the IQ test; one of

 

         19    the IQ tests is vocabulary knowledge, knowledge of words, and

 

         20    one of the words was for the defendant to define compassion.  On

 

         21    that particular definition, the defendant scored a 0, he didn't

 

         22    have a correct answer for compassion.  And in reviewing that

 

         23    later it kind of in my mind lended support to one's ability to

 

         24    really understand what feelings are.

 

         25       Q.   Dr. Duncan, your assessment of the defendant as a

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          982

 

 

          1    psychopath, is that the only thing that you relied upon in

 

          2    coming to your conclusions in this case?

 

          3       A.   No, sir, the opinion -- my opinion of his being a

 

          4    psychopath was important, I gleaned that not only from the PCL-R

 

          5    but from the interviews and from the extensive information that

 

          6    we had got from other sources and the over 3000 pages that we

 

          7    reviewed, but it was one of three ways to take a look at the

 

          8    defendant's ability to or possibility of being violent in the

 

          9    future.  And it was one of three ways that we look at the issue.

 

         10       Q.   Do you have an opinion as to whether the defendant is a

 

         11    significant risk of future violence?

 

         12            MR. WILLIAMS:  Objection, he's not been declared an

 

         13    expert in the area of risk assessment.

 

         14            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, you don't --

 

         15            THE COURT:  Overruled, he is a psychiatrist.

 

         16            THE WITNESS:  Yes, I do.

 

         17            BY MR. CONRAD:

 

         18       Q.   What is that opinion?

 

         19       A.   Let me first preface that --

 

         20            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Objection, Judge, he asked for his

 

         21    opinion.

 

         22            THE COURT:  All right, let him explain it, overruled.

 

         23    Go ahead, sir.

 

         24            THE WITNESS:  Let me first preface it by saying that

 

         25    mental health professionals cannot tell for sure 100 percent

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          983

 

 

          1    certainly whether anyone will ever be violent in the future.

 

          2    There are different ways of establishing whether someone might

 

          3    be at a higher risk for being violent in the future.

 

          4            We looked at three different ways to establish whether

 

          5    or not the defendant, Mr. Barnette might be at increased risk

 

          6    for being violent in the future.  One was the use of the

 

          7    Psychopathy Checklist Revised.  The second way was to look at

 

          8    the particular items that had been borne out in the research

 

          9    which would suggest their ability the predict future

 

         10    dangerousness.  And those items were from Dr. John Monahan, who

 

         11    is considered one of experts in the field.  And the third way

 

         12    was to take a look at what we call an actuarial approach where

 

         13    we take a look at a number of characteristics of the individual

 

         14    and we try to find a group of people that are very similar.  And

 

         15    I took a look at that as well.

 

         16       Q.   Okay.  And you have already testified about the PCL-R,

 

         17    what about the research items contained in the Monahan report,

 

         18    what did they tell you?

 

         19       A.   There are 11 items that Dr. John Monahan has identified

 

         20    as being items to look at in predicting whether someone will be

 

         21    a future danger.  The first item is their prior arrests for

 

         22    violent crimes.  And this is probably the most predictive.

 

         23            Now, he is talking about arrests, he is not talking

 

         24    about convictions.  A common saying in the field is, the best

 

         25    way to predict someone's future behavior is to look at their

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          984

 

 

          1    past behavior.  And Mr. Barnette had, in my opinion, an

 

          2    extensive history of arrests for violent actions.  And what we

 

          3    found out during the interviews, that a lot of his violent

 

          4    action had actually gone unreported.  Item number two is the

 

          5    individual's current age.  The research demonstrates that there

 

          6    is a strong relationship between being younger and acting in a

 

          7    violent way.  At 24 years of age, the defendant is still

 

          8    considered fairly young with regard to the research.

 

          9            The third area was age at first serious offense.  And as

 

         10    you might suspect, the earlier an individual engages in criminal

 

         11    and violent behavior, the more likely they are to engage in that

 

         12    in the future.

 

         13            In the review of our records, the age at which we were

 

         14    able to find the first violent offense was at the age of 18.

 

         15    The fourth area was area of sex.  The research suggests that

 

         16    males are much more likely to be violent than females.  The next

 

         17    was race.  The research suggests that African Americans are at a

 

         18    higher risk than other races to engage in violent behavior.  The

 

         19    next one, the sixth area was social economic status and

 

         20    employment stability.

 

         21            The -- an individual that comes from higher -- from a

 

         22    higher SES or social economic status and has more stable

 

         23    employment history is less likely to engage in violent behavior

 

         24    in the future.  The best that we could address about the

 

         25    defendant at the time of the crimes that he was in the lower

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          985

 

 

          1    social economic statuses, and that was particularly true from

 

          2    the defendant's self report after his father and mother

 

          3    divorced.

 

          4            And he did report to us in a six year period from the

 

          5    age of 17 to the age of 23 he had had 14 different jobs.  The

 

          6    next area was opiate and alcohol abuse.  Abusers of alcohol and

 

          7    drugs are at a higher risk for being violent in the future.  The

 

          8    defendant had described periodic alcohol abuse.  The next area

 

          9    is family environment, if someone comes from a stable supportive

 

         10    family, that's associated with having a lower risk.

 

         11            We were not able to interview the defendant's mother or

 

         12    father, and so we were not able to get that kind of collateral

 

         13    information, but based on the defendant's self report, on one

 

         14    hand he described his mother as being very loving and very

 

         15    caring and being very financially supportive of the family, and

 

         16    on the other hand he described her as a dysfunctional alcoholic

 

         17    who would drink to the point of stumbling.

 

         18            So I think it was fair for us to be able to say based on

 

         19    the defendant's description that his family support was less

 

         20    than optimal.  The next area was peer environment, we were not

 

         21    able to glean much if any information about Mr. Barnette's

 

         22    peers.  What the research suggests, if you hang out with bad

 

         23    people, you have a greater likelihood of engaging in violent

 

         24    behavior in the future.

 

         25            Availability to victims, the defendant's typical -- on

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          986

 

 

          1    the surface his typical victims were the females that he had

 

          2    relationships with.  But when we looked at that closer we also

 

          3    saw that he was willing to engage in violent acts towards other

 

          4    individuals.  There is a gentleman that he had shot in Georgia,

 

          5    there were the two children that he whipped with a coat hanger,

 

          6    other acts of violence.  And then of course, the Donald Lee

 

          7    Allen murder.

 

          8            So we found that the victims that he engaged in, there

 

          9    were a number of different kinds of victims, but to the extent

 

         10    that his victim pool is available to him, he would have a

 

         11    greater likelihood of being violent.

 

         12            And then the last one was availability of alcohol and

 

         13    weapons, and as someone is incarcerated, we would like to think

 

         14    that they have less opportunity to have alcohol and weapons

 

         15    available to them.  And I believe that that is perhaps true.  On

 

         16    the other hand having worked in a federal prison for the last

 

         17    eight and a half years, I also know that they make alcohol and

 

         18    they make weapons so, to the extent that Mr. Barnette would have

 

         19    available to him alcohol and weapons, that would increase or

 

         20    decrease his likelihood of being a future danger.

 

         21       Q.   With respect to your actuarial approach, have you

 

         22    reviewed the research concerning violence in federal prisons?

 

         23       A.   Yes, sir, I have reviewed the research and also did some

 

         24    research of my own.

 

         25       Q.   Would you relate to jury the research you did.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          987

 

 

          1       A.   As I said before, the actuarial approach I go out and

 

          2    find a group of people that is similar to your person in a

 

          3    variety of different ways, not just one or two but in a variety

 

          4    of different ways.  And so my line of thinking was that at

 

          5    minimum, I knew from talking with the prosecutor that the -- if

 

          6    the defendant was convicted, he would be facing life in prison.

 

          7            So I took a look at -- and if that were the case, then I

 

          8    also knew that he would end up in the general population at one

 

          9    of our six federal penitentiaries.  So I took a look at the

 

         10    violence rate at our federal penitentiaries for the 25 months,

 

         11    or six of the federal penitentiaries in the last six months.

 

         12    And what I found is for every 5000 inmates you have on average

 

         13    1776 violent acts for every 5000 inmates each year.  Again that

 

         14    was over the last two years.  And then I tried to compare that

 

         15    against what the violence rate was within the general

 

         16    community.

 

         17            And the comparison rate that I was able to glean was

 

         18    statistics from 1992, which showed that on average, in 1992, for

 

         19    every 5000 individuals, there was 250 violent crimes.  I think

 

         20    it would be fair to say that that even though that that's not

 

         21    present day, it's fairly applicable, since crime has supposed to

 

         22    have reduced in the last several years.  So if you take a look

 

         23    at the 250 violent acts with the general population and compare

 

         24    that to 1776 violent acts in our six federal penitentiaries

 

         25    where the defendant might go, what you find is there is over

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    seven a times greater likelihood of that group being violent.

 

          2    So based on actuarial statistics, I think I could say with all

 

          3    three comparisons that we used, I think I could say with a

 

          4    reasonable degree of medical or psychological certainty that I

 

          5    feel that the defendant is at a much greater risk of being

 

          6    violent in the future.

 

          7       Q.   Now, do you know of any research using the PCL-R which

 

          8    predicts future dangerousness?

 

          9       A.   Yes, sir.  I think I indicated before that people who

 

         10    score 30 or above on the PCL-R are identified as psychopaths and

 

         11    have twice as likely of a chance to commit criminal acts than

 

         12    criminals who score less than 30 on the PCL-R, nonpsychopaths.

 

         13    They are also three times -- or criminal psychopaths, scores of

 

         14    30 or above, are three times as likely as noncriminal

 

         15    psychopaths to engage in violent criminal behavior in the

 

         16    future.

 

         17       Q.   Now, in doing this research, did you speak with Robert

 

         18    Hare, the originator of the PCL-R?

 

         19       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         20       Q.   Did he indicate anything to you with respect to the

 

         21    statistical validity of that instrument regardless of race?

 

         22       A.   Yes, sir, Dr. Hare has pointed --

 

         23            MR. WILLIAMS:  Objection to Dr. Hare.

 

         24            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, he is an expert reasonably

 

         25    relied upon in the field.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1            THE COURT:  All right, overruled.

 

          2            THE WITNESS:  Dr. Hare point out in his manual, which I

 

          3    have reviewed, that at the time back in 1990, 1991, there was

 

          4    not a great deal of research on the PCL-R and the African

 

          5    American population.  So he suggested in the manual that you be

 

          6    cautious when you use it on the African American population.

 

          7            In speaking with Dr. Hare recently, he told me of a

 

          8    great deal of research that has been done in the last two years

 

          9    that suggests that although African American individuals on

 

         10    average will score two points higher than nonAfrican American

 

         11    individuals, when you take a look at the PCL-R's ability to

 

         12    predict whether they will be violent or not and use a cut off

 

         13    score of 30, it predicts that just as well in African American

 

         14    males as it does in nonAfrican American males.  So although it

 

         15    -- African American males do score slightly higher on the test,

 

         16    it seems to be -- the test seems to be working clinically the

 

         17    same whether you are African American or nonAfrican American.

 

         18       Q.   Are you familiar with Dr. Henry Richards?

 

         19       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         20       Q.   Who is Dr. Henry Richards?

 

         21       A.   Dr. Henry Richards a psychologist at the Patuxent

 

         22    Institute which is a maximum security prison outside of

 

         23    Baltimore, Maryland.  I spoke with Dr. Richards because he has

 

         24    ongoing research looking at the issue of African American versus

 

         25    nonAfrican American on the PCL-R, and their population at

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    Patuxent is approximately 80 percent African American.  And his

 

          2    research, which will come out soon, they have actually done the

 

          3    taping on the -- I think it's NBC's Dateline, suggest what I was

 

          4    saying earlier, that although you do see a two point increase

 

          5    with African American males you can still use a cut off score of

 

          6    30 to be able to predict future dangerousness.

 

          7       Q.   In your opinion is the PCL-R a reliable instrument for

 

          8    predicting future dangerousness?

 

          9       A.   In my opinion, it is a -- if you want to look at a

 

         10    single instrument to predict future dangerousness, which I don't

 

         11    necessarily advocate, that's why we looked at three different

 

         12    areas, but if you wanted to look at a single instrument it's

 

         13    heads and above any other instrument that we currently have in

 

         14    predicting future dangerousness.

 

         15       Q.   Now, Dr. Duncan, I want to turn your attention briefly

 

         16    to your interview of the defendant in the case and ask you

 

         17    whether or not he talked with you about an incident involving

 

         18    his arrest for the rape of Alesha Chambers, did he talk to you

 

         19    about that?

 

         20       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         21       Q.   What if anything did he tell you about that incident?

 

         22       A.   To the best of my recollection he -- there were three

 

         23    different incidents with Ms. Chambers.  The issue of the rape, I

 

         24    believe, was the third incident.  He had told us that she had

 

         25    gone to his house on a consensual visit, and that a rape

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    actually never occurred.

 

          2       Q.   So he indicated to you that sex occurred on that night

 

          3    but it was consensual, not forced?

 

          4       A.   Yes, yes.

 

          5            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, that's all I have of this

 

          6    witness at this time.

 

          7            THE COURT:  Cross.

 

          8            CROSS-EXAMINATION

 

          9            BY MR. WILLIAMS:

 

         10       Q.   Dr. Duncan?

 

         11       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         12       Q.   My name is Paul Williams, I appreciate it if you answer

 

         13    some of my questions.

 

         14       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         15       Q.   Let me first try to make clear, are you suggesting to

 

         16    this jury that Judge Potter asked you to perform these

 

         17    interviews of Mr. Barnette?

 

         18       A.   What I am telling the jury is had Judge Potter not

 

         19    signed -- Judge Potter or a federal judge not signed a court

 

         20    order for us to conduct the evaluations, we would not have

 

         21    conducted the evaluation.

 

         22       Q.   I understand.  My question, sir, you are not suggesting

 

         23    to this jury that Judge Potter himself appointed you and asked

 

         24    you to do these examinations of Mr. Barnette, that's not

 

         25    correct, is it?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       A.   Yes, sir.  When I do an evaluation, I do it based on the

 

          2    court order, and in that sense I am working for the federal

 

          3    judge that's signs the Court order.

 

          4       Q.   I would appreciate if you'd answer my question, Dr.

 

          5    Duncan.  Isn't it true that the United States government's chose

 

          6    you to do these examinations and not Judge Potter?

 

          7       A.   I don't -- the United States government approached me

 

          8    and asked if we would be willing to engage in the evaluation.

 

          9    What I told the United States attorney, I should say, was that

 

         10    we would only do the evaluation upon a court order, that when we

 

         11    do an evaluation we work for the Judge, we don't work for either

 

         12    side.  So technically, I guess that the United States Attorney's

 

         13    Office approached us first, yes, sir, if that's what you are

 

         14    asking.

 

         15       Q.   Well, you are not suggesting to this jury, are you, sir,

 

         16    that you are working for Judge Potter?

 

         17       A.   Yes, sir, I am.

 

         18       Q.   Oh, you are.

 

         19            MR. WILLIAMS:  Well, may I approach, Your Honor.

 

         20            THE COURT:  Yes.

 

         21            BY MR. WILLIAMS:

 

         22       Q.   Isn't it true that you are working for the United States

 

         23    of America in trying to put this man in the gas chamber, isn't

 

         24    that true?

 

         25            MR. CONRAD:  Objection.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1            THE COURT:  Sustain that objection.

 

          2            MR. CONRAD:  I would ask that the court instruct --

 

          3            THE COURT:  Members of the jury, disregard that remark

 

          4    from the defense attorney.

 

          5            BY MR. WILLIAMS:

 

          6       Q.   I will show you an order signed by His Honor, Judge

 

          7    Robert Potter, on December 3rd, 1997?

 

          8       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          9       Q.   It is denominated document number 199.  On page 10 of

 

         10    that document, subparagraph B, does it not say, if such

 

         11    notice is given, the defendant shall be examined by a

 

         12    psychiatrist or other mental health professional selected by the

 

         13    government?

 

         14       A.   Yes, sir, that's what you just read, it says that, yes.

 

         15       Q.   Were you in fact selected by the government?

 

         16       A.   I was asked if I would, as I said before, I was asked if

 

         17    I would be willing to do the evaluation, and my response was I

 

         18    would be willing to do it if I was working for the judge.

 

         19       Q.   And let me also show you an order signed by His Honor,

 

         20    Judge Robert Potter, dated January 16, 1998, I believe Your

 

         21    Honor its document number 277, which the first paragraph says

 

         22    this matter is before the Court on the government's request that

 

         23    their experts be allowed to complete their examination of the

 

         24    defendant.  Isn't that what it says?

 

         25       A.   Yes, sir, I did not draft that order, though.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       Q.   I understand.  Is that what Judge Potter's order says?

 

          2       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          3       Q.   The next sentence says, the Court will grant the

 

          4    government's request and order the defendant to submit to the

 

          5    examination by Dr. Duncan and Dr. Grant, isn't that what Judge

 

          6    Potter's order says?

 

          7       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          8       Q.   Have you, sir, had any conversations with His Honor,

 

          9    Judge Potter, personally before you conducted any examinations?

 

         10       A.   No, sir, I have not.

 

         11       Q.   How many conversations have you had with the United

 

         12    States Attorney's Office before you conducted any examinations

 

         13    of my client -- our client?

 

         14       A.   There have been several, several discussions with the

 

         15    Attorneys Office.  As I indicated before, I talked with both the

 

         16    U.S. Attorney's Office and yourself and Mr. Laughrun requesting

 

         17    any and all information, so we typically have -- we typically

 

         18    ask both sides for any information that we can get.

 

         19       Q.   Dr. Duncan, you are employed by the United States

 

         20    government?

 

         21       A.   Yes, sir, I am.

 

         22       Q.   In a federal prison?

 

         23       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         24       Q.   So you are a federal employee?

 

         25       A.   Yes, sir.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          995

 

 

          1       Q.   And your job in the past has always been or usually

 

          2    been, correct me if I'm wrong, to evaluate inmates or people

 

          3    charged with crimes for the purpose of competency or insanity?

 

          4       A.   Yes, sir, that would encompass probably 95 percent of

 

          5    the referral requests that we get, yes, sir.

 

          6       Q.   And there has never been a request by you to examine

 

          7    Mark Barnette for competency or insanity, was there?

 

          8       A.   No, sir, I believe that was done in Butner.

 

          9       Q.   And you know -- strike that.

 

         10            You are board certified as a diplomate in forensic

 

         11    psychology, I believe you said, and I believe you were asked the

 

         12    question, what do you have to accomplish or do in order to

 

         13    receive that position.  Have you ever heard of the term within

 

         14    your profession, vanity board?

 

         15       A.   Number one, if I can address, there is no board

 

         16    certification, so that would not be accurate.  And number two,

 

         17    no, I'm not familiar with the concept of vanity board.

 

         18       Q.   Are you saying to this jury that you are board

 

         19    certified?

 

         20       A.   No, sir, as I psychiatrist there is not such a thing as

 

         21    board certification.

 

         22       Q.   Do you know anything about an oral examination for board

 

         23    certification of forensic psychologists?

 

         24       A.   For board certification?

 

         25       Q.   Yes, sir.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          996

 

 

          1       A.   No, sir.

 

          2       Q.   Do you know of an oral examination where there is a 40

 

          3    percent failure rate for board certification?

 

          4       A.   Well, as I indicated before, there is not board

 

          5    certification for psychologists, there's board certification for

 

          6    psychiatrists, and that may be what you are talking about but

 

          7    I'm a psychologist.

 

          8       Q.   And you don't know anything about a board certification

 

          9    for a forensic psychologist?

 

         10       A.   No.  There is a diplomate given in the area of forensic

 

         11    psychology, but it's not board certification.

 

         12       Q.   All right.  Have you ever taken any oral examination or

 

         13    taken any exams of any kind to be determined to be a board

 

         14    certified psychologist?

 

         15       A.   Well, the answer to that is no, because I'm suggesting

 

         16    that there is not board certification for psychology.

 

         17       Q.   All right, sir.

 

         18            MR. WILLIAMS:  May I approach the witness, Your Honor.

 

         19            THE COURT:  Yes, sir.

 

         20            BY MR. WILLIAMS:

 

         21       Q.   Just trying to understand from your vita sheet, Dr.

 

         22    Duncan, -- so with regard to your professional affiliations that

 

         23    you listed in your vita sheet, there is no oral examination or

 

         24    testing procedures that you have to go through to get those, is

 

         25    that correct?

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          997

 

 

          1       A.   Not for the diplomate.  As a forensic examiner or a

 

          2    diplomate in forensic medicine, I'm currently sitting on a

 

          3    committee which is designing a diplomate in forensic psychology

 

          4    underneath the board or the college of forensic examiners, and

 

          5    we are in the preparation or in the process of developing an

 

          6    exam for the diplomate in forensic psychology.  But there is no

 

          7    examination for the diplomate in forensic medicine or forensic

 

          8    examiners.

 

          9       Q.   As a psychologist employed by the federal government,

 

         10    and in the position where you normally do evaluations within the

 

         11    prison system in your capacity as a federal employee, regarding

 

         12    competency and insanity, do you not feel that there is some

 

         13    ethical dilemma that you are in by coming into this courtroom

 

         14    and testifying on behalf of the United States government with

 

         15    regard to your opinions and personal diagnosis of a person who

 

         16    is on trial facing the death penalty?

 

         17       A.   Well, I think that any time that you do, regardless of

 

         18    who you are employer is, that any time you do an evaluation on

 

         19    an issue as serious as issues surrounding the death penalty,

 

         20    that you need to hold yourself at a higher level and make

 

         21    certain about what you are saying.  So I think any of us as

 

         22    expert witnesses hold an ethical responsibility in that

 

         23    capacity.

 

         24            How that might be different as a government employee, in

 

         25    my mind, where I get my paycheck is irrelevant in how I do an

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          998

 

 

          1    evaluation.  As I said before, the reason I like doing

 

          2    evaluations at the federal penitentiary is I can work as a

 

          3    neutral source.  I'm not hired by the defense and I'm not hired

 

          4    by the prosecution.  And in my evaluations of defendants, and

 

          5    this is what we tell the defendants when we evaluate them, we

 

          6    are working for the judge and that keeps us in a neutral

 

          7    capacity.

 

          8       Q.   So is it your testimony under oath to this jury that you

 

          9    have done a neutral impartial fair evaluation in this case?

 

         10       A.   Yes, sir and that's my personal feeling, yes, sir.

 

         11       Q.   Let me ask you, sir, have you read the transcripts of

 

         12    the testimony or any of the transcripts of the prior testimony

 

         13    in this case?

 

         14       A.   No, sir, I believe the Judge's order was to sequester

 

         15    information, so I have not.

 

         16       Q.   Let me ask you a question or tell me whether -- let me

 

         17    ask you --

 

         18            MR. WILLIAMS:  May I approach, Your Honor.

 

         19            THE COURT:  Yes, sir.

 

         20            BY MR. WILLIAMS:

 

         21       Q.   Whether or not you agree with a statement by a previous

 

         22    witness in this case, page 715 of the transcript, Dr. Halleck,

 

         23    Dr. Seymore Halleck, testified, and let me show it to you to

 

         24    make sure that you agree with what the question and the answer

 

         25    is, and I want to ask you if you agree with it.

 

 

 

 

 

 

                                                                          999

 

 

          1            Question on page 715 was, in your opinion was the

 

          2    evaluation of the psychiatrist, Dr. Duncan, and you are Dr.

 

          3    Duncan?

 

          4       A.   But I'm psychologist.

 

          5       Q.   A fair independent unbiased report, that's the question

 

          6    and the objection was overruled, and I said you may answer, and

 

          7    Dr. Seymore Halleck testified under oath, let me preface that by

 

          8    saying there is generally some pieces in any report no matter

 

          9    who you are working for, and it is hard particularly if you are

 

         10    employed by one side or another to come up with a completely

 

         11    objective report.  I felt that their report was singularly

 

         12    lacking in objectivity, much more so than the ordinary report

 

         13    that I see no matter whose side one is on.  In other words, I

 

         14    felt that they were exaggerating certain things, that they were

 

         15    argumentative at times and in many ways the report looked more

 

         16    like a brief, like a legal statement against Mr. Barnette and

 

         17    didn't carry the usual kind of neutrality you want to see in a

 

         18    psychiatric report.

 

         19            Now, my question to you, sir, is, do you agree with that

 

         20    or do you disagree with that statement?

 

         21       A.   In general I disagree with that statement, there are

 

         22    specific reasons why.  Dr. Halleck is indicating that you have

 

         23    to work for one side or the other.  That is the, I guess in my

 

         24    mind, the enviable position that I'm in.  I don't work for

 

         25    either side, I work for a neutral source, that being the Judge

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    that signs the court order.  I don't believe Dr. Halleck's

 

          2    evaluation was done on a court order.

 

          3            Whether or not our report looked like a legal brief, I

 

          4    guess we are dealing in the area of forensic psychology, and my

 

          5    job is to take the material, psychological material and apply it

 

          6    to the legal system.  So I don't take particular offense to that

 

          7    statement.  It is a legal proceeding, and I am operating under

 

          8    legal statutes.  That's how I do my evaluations.  I don't

 

          9    believe that it was biased, and I don't believe it was

 

         10    one-sided, but perhaps it does look more like a legal brief.

 

         11    I'm not sure I know exactly what a legal brief is, but it is in

 

         12    my mind something that can be entered into the record and

 

         13    therefore is a legal document.

 

         14       Q.   Well, I guess my question, Dr. Duncan, is directed

 

         15    towards the fact that no matter which side you are on, or what

 

         16    you are being asked to do, it's your job, is it not, to testify

 

         17    about opinions to this jury and to be as neutral as you possibly

 

         18    can in developing that opinion and not make personal statements

 

         19    with regard to your opinions in that report, isn't that fair an

 

         20    accurate to say?

 

         21       A.   I again, I -- you prefaced your question by saying that

 

         22    regardless of what side you are on.  Again I don't agree that I

 

         23    am on any side.  I do believe that even if you are hired by one

 

         24    side or the other, if that is the case, it is your job -- it's

 

         25    my job as a psychologist or anyone's job as a psychologist or

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    psychiatrist to give an unbiased opinion, if we are asked to

 

          2    give opinions, professional opinions.  And I think one of your

 

          3    questions was about giving personal opinions.  Well, they are my

 

          4    personal opinions in the report, but my personal professional

 

          5    opinions.

 

          6       Q.   But isn't it proper standard procedure within the mental

 

          7    health profession that when a psychologist or a psychiatrist

 

          8    does an evaluation that that person or persons who is doing it

 

          9    should remain totally neutral and not attempt to point out in

 

         10    their reports things that are particularly, from a personal

 

         11    standpoint, right or wrong.  In other words, remarking about

 

         12    factual statements, do you understand my question?

 

         13       A.   I'm not certain that I do.

 

         14       Q.   Let me give you a specific example.

 

         15            MR. WILLIAMS:  If I may approach the witness.

 

         16            THE COURT:  Yes.

 

         17            BY MR. WILLIAMS:

 

         18       Q.   If you are trying to be a neutral evaluator, isn't it

 

         19    appropriate and as part of your ethical standard --

 

         20            THE COURT:  Excuse, me what are you reading from.

 

         21            MR. WILLIAMS:  I'm approaching with his report, Your

 

         22    Honor.

 

         23            THE COURT:  Okay, thank you.

 

         24            MR. WILLIAMS:  The Duncan, Grant report Your Honor.

 

         25            BY MR. WILLIAMS:

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       Q.   Isn't it the ethical standard of your profession not to

 

          2    make personal comments about whether someone is, that you are

 

          3    evaluating is telling you the truth or not, but you are simply

 

          4    reporting what he is saying and you are making a diagnosis based

 

          5    on the history, isn't that what is proper?

 

          6       A.   Reporting what he is saying -- I'm not certain that I'm

 

          7    following the question, I'm sorry.

 

          8       Q.   Let me show you page 23.  You report under, for

 

          9    instance, Natasha Heard's report of relevant psychological

 

         10    history?

 

         11       A.   Yes.

 

         12       Q.   That's your caption?

 

         13       A.   Yes.

 

         14       Q.   When you say psychological history, you are reporting

 

         15    what she is telling you, is that correct?

 

         16       A.   Reporting what she had discussed with Dr. Grant in an

 

         17    interview that we felt was relevant for psychological issues,

 

         18    yes, sir.

 

         19       Q.   And at the end of the first paragraph, you say in

 

         20    reference to what Mr. Barnette told you he allegedly told

 

         21    Natasha that his first paycheck had to go back to the company

 

         22    where it would be held in accordance with company policy, and

 

         23    then you make a comment, "that's a lie"?

 

         24       A.   Yes, I think it says that was a lie, that's what Keesha

 

         25    Heard told us we are reporting.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       Q.   That was a lie is that your statement or her statement?

 

          2       A.   Her statement.

 

          3       Q.   Her statement?

 

          4       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          5       Q.   Well, you don't have it in quotes, do you?

 

          6       A.   No, sir, but I don't have in quotes the preceding

 

          7    comment he allegedly told Natasha -- I'm sorry -- he allegedly

 

          8    told Natasha that his first paycheck had to go back to the

 

          9    company where it would be held in accordance with company

 

         10    policy.  I don't believe any of that is in quotes.

 

         11       Q.   And you throughout your evaluation, in your report, you

 

         12    are taking statements from Mr. Barnette, you make comments

 

         13    either in parenthesis or otherwise throughout the evaluation and

 

         14    with regard to those statements, whether or not you felt that

 

         15    they were true or not true?

 

         16       A.   Yes, we quoted Mr. Barnette as we quoted other

 

         17    individuals in the report.  Based on -- at times we would take a

 

         18    look at his quotes and compare that to what he had said to

 

         19    either of the evaluators or police officers or things from the

 

         20    record and determine then that it was either -- at one point it

 

         21    was either a lie with us or not the truth with us or not the

 

         22    truth back when.

 

         23       Q.   Are you telling -- is it your statement to this jury

 

         24    that you did not think he was reliable in what he was telling

 

         25    you?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       A.   There were a number of incidents where the defendant

 

          2    either contradicted himself or was contradictory when you

 

          3    compare his statements with us with other sources of

 

          4    information.  So in that sense, I would not have considered him

 

          5    an extremely reliable individual with the information that he

 

          6    gave us.

 

          7       Q.   Did you talk with Mr. Sally Johnson about her Butner

 

          8    report?

 

          9       A.   I had talked with Sally about sending the material down

 

         10    to Atlanta, I didn't discuss the report with Dr. Johnson.

 

         11       Q.   Who is Dr. Sally Johnson?

 

         12       A.   Dr. Sally Johnson is a psychiatrist at the federal

 

         13    correctional institute in Butner.

 

         14       Q.   And did you ask her if she, if Mr. Barnette was a

 

         15    reliable historian to her?

 

         16       A.   No, sir.  As I said I talked with Dr. Johnson prior to

 

         17    getting any of the information in this case.  The information

 

         18    was sealed by court order.  The only reason that I talked with

 

         19    Dr. Johnson was to try to have Butner send the material to us

 

         20    that had by court order been requested to be sent to us.

 

         21       Q.   Do you feel that Mark Barnette was a reliable historian?

 

         22       A.   I think there were some occasions where he was telling

 

         23    the truth, and I think there were some occasions where it was

 

         24    very clear that he was fabricating.  It's -- when that is the

 

         25    case, it's difficult to say unless you can go back and check

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    every statement made, what was the truth and what wasn't.

 

          2       Q.   You are not an expert in risk assessment, are you?

 

          3       A.   Psychological risk assessment or dangerousness?

 

          4       Q.   Yes.

 

          5       A.   Yes, I believe I would perhaps qualify as an expert in

 

          6    risk assessment, I'm very familiar with the research in that

 

          7    area.

 

          8       Q.   Tell me what research you are familiar with?

 

          9       A.   Well --

 

         10       Q.   I know you referred to Monahan?

 

         11       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         12       Q.   In your testimony, you are familiar with Dr. Monahan?

 

         13       A.   Yes, sir, Dr. John Monahan who is a -- who is at the

 

         14    University of Virginia, and he is one of the leading experts in

 

         15    the area of dangerousness prediction.

 

         16       Q.   Risk assessment?

 

         17       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         18       Q.   And who else -- what other research are you familiar

 

         19    with in that area?

 

         20       A.   In the area of risk assessment, you have a number of

 

         21    individuals Dr. Carl Lacono who is chief of psychology at the

 

         22    federal correctional institute in Bastrop, Texas, you have Dr.

 

         23    Reed Maloy, you have Dr. Robert Hare, you have as I said before,

 

         24    Dr. Henry Richards, you have Dr. McCannon at the Patuxent

 

         25    Institute, Dr. Kluver, who is a Dutch psychologist, Dr. David

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    Cook, who is a Scottish psychologist that does a lot of cultural

 

          2    studies with psychopathy and risk assessment, use of the PCL-R.

 

          3    You have Dr. John Newman at the University of Wisconsin, Madison

 

          4    who is -- does a lot of research in risk assessment and the

 

          5    PCL-R, Dr. Kosson.  I have got citings if you want of over 160

 

          6    different articles.  I guess I could read you those.

 

          7       Q.   Did you research the various articles, did you read all

 

          8    of the articles before you made any determination in this case?

 

          9       A.   Well, I think it would be impossible in any area of

 

         10    psychology to read all of the articles.  There are probably

 

         11    hundreds and hundreds of articles out there.  I don't know that

 

         12    I have read every one.

 

         13       Q.   Well, can you tell me what articles you have read in

 

         14    this case about risk assessment and what studies you have

 

         15    reviewed in this case about risk assessment before you filed

 

         16    your report on January 29th?

 

         17       A.   Well, that would include all of the information that I

 

         18    have reviewed over the years in the area of risk assessment.  I

 

         19    can cite a number of different studies that is in Robert Hare's

 

         20    book, Without Consciousness.  Some of the other studies, key

 

         21    reference article by Dr. Hare, Psychopathy and the PCL-R/PCL-SV,

 

         22    Evaluating the Construct, Validity of Psychopathy in Black and

 

         23    White Male Inmates, Three Preliminary Studies, Performance of --

 

         24    that was done by Dr. Kossan, Smith and Newman out of the

 

         25    University of Wisconsin.  Another study, Performance of Criminal

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    Psychopathy on Selected Neuropsychological Tests, done by

 

          2    Drs. Hart, Forth and Hare out of the University of British

 

          3    Columbia in Vancouver, a study done by -- entitled, Violence,

 

          4    Criminals, Psychopaths and their Victims, done by

 

          5    Drs. Williamson, Hare and Wong.

 

          6       Q.   Now, these are articles you read before you did your

 

          7    report in this case or as part of your evaluation in this case,

 

          8    you read those articles?

 

          9       A.   Well, these are articles that I have read in the past.

 

         10    By -- are not the -- do not encompass all of the articles I have

 

         11    read.  Do you want me to go on?

 

         12       Q.   Have you read any -- I mean, reread or researched any

 

         13    articles in this case other than the ones you may have read in

 

         14    the past, yes or no?

 

         15       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         16       Q.   Have you read Dr. -- are you familiar with Dr. Mark

 

         17    Cunningham?

 

         18       A.   Not until his involvement in this case, and I know of

 

         19    him from his involvement in this case.

 

         20       Q.   Are you familiar with the base rate of violence in

 

         21    capital sentencing?

 

         22       A.   Yes, sir, to some degree, I am.

 

         23       Q.   Have you researched that with regard to risk assessment?

 

         24       A.   I'm not sure I understand your question.

 

         25       Q.   Well, you mentioned Monahan, you told this jury you made

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    a risk assessment here with regard to my client, our client, is

 

          2    that correct?

 

          3       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          4       Q.   And you talked about Monahan.  Do you know Morris and

 

          5    Miller's study in 1985?

 

          6       A.   Not off of the top of my head, no, sir.

 

          7       Q.   You didn't review that one?

 

          8       A.   I may have.  If you could present it to me, I could

 

          9    probably tell you whether I've reviewed it or not.

 

         10       Q.   Did you review the Holl study in 1987?

 

         11       A.   Mr. Williams, I have reviewed a number of the studies,

 

         12    and I don't know that it would be possible for me to say, yes,

 

         13    I've reviewed that one, or no, I've -- if you produce those to

 

         14    me, I could.

 

         15       Q.   I'm just asking you, sir, asking you, Dr. Duncan, if

 

         16    before you came into this courtroom, after you interviewed our

 

         17    client, Mr. Barnette, after you reviewed all of discovery in the

 

         18    case and reviewed all of the records, I'm asking you, sir,

 

         19    before you testified under oath about your opinion, did you read

 

         20    or study these particular articles?

 

         21            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, I'd object, he's asked and

 

         22    answered the question.  He's asked the attorney to produce the

 

         23    article so he could answer it.

 

         24            MR. WILLIAMS:  I'm asking him if he has read it.

 

         25            THE COURT:  Wait a minute, we have been over this

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    before, I believe, and he said he has read a number of

 

          2    articles.  If you want to specify which ones by showing them to

 

          3    him, show them to him and he can make up his mind whether he has

 

          4    seen them or not.  I'm sure there are hundreds of them.

 

          5            BY MR. WILLIAMS:

 

          6       Q.   Are you familiar with the Serin and Amos study in 1995?

 

          7       A.   I have read, I mean, there are a lot more than one Serin

 

          8    and Amos studies in 1995, particularly with Serin.

 

          9       Q.   With regard to base rates?

 

         10       A.   Mr. Williams, I have read so many articles in the last

 

         11    couple of weeks, I don't know that I would be able to -- if you

 

         12    could show it to me, I would be able to tell you yes or no.  I'm

 

         13    sorry.

 

         14       Q.   Did you talk with Dr. Mark Cunningham about this case?

 

         15       A.   Just -- I don't know that we discussed the case.  We

 

         16    talked just briefly about getting -- I asked Dr. Cunningham if

 

         17    he had gotten or if he had conducted any psychological testing,

 

         18    and if he had, could I look at the raw test data, which I had

 

         19    done with the Butner evaluation and some other evaluations.  And

 

         20    I believe he referenced some research articles that -- during

 

         21    that conversation.

 

         22       Q.   And did he -- has he provided you through the government

 

         23    a number of articles on risk assessment?

 

         24       A.   Yes, sir, I believe -- well, there was overhead --

 

         25    copies of overheads and a few articles, yes, sir.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       Q.   And you reviewed those?

 

          2       A.   Yes, sir, I believe I have those, if you like.

 

          3       Q.   Have you reviewed the risk, or have you reviewed your

 

          4    opinion of, I guess you said future dangerousness, is that what

 

          5    you're talking about, in the context of Mr. Barnette being in a

 

          6    federal prison as opposed to being out in the free society?

 

          7       A.   I believe I had addressed that earlier when I discussed

 

          8    the comparison of the six penitentiary within the last 25

 

          9    months, the violence rate at the six penitentiaries compared to

 

         10    the violence rate in the community, if that's what you are

 

         11    asking.

 

         12       Q.   Okay.  Your report on Page 33, do you have your report

 

         13    with you, Dr. Duncan?

 

         14       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         15       Q.   Would you please turn to Page 33?

 

         16       A.   Certainly, yes, sir.

 

         17       Q.   With regard to the borderline personality disorder, it

 

         18    is true, is it not, that the DSM-4 manual which you have just

 

         19    reached for, I believe, on Page 652?

 

         20       A.   Yes, sir, thank you.

 

         21       Q.   I'll give you a chance the turn to it.

 

         22       A.   Okay.

 

         23       Q.   At the bottom of the page under course, the first

 

         24    sentence there is, there is considerable variability in the

 

         25    course of borderline personality disorder, is that correct?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       A.   Yes, sir, that is what that says.

 

          2       Q.   The next sentence says that the most common pattern is

 

          3    one of chronic instability in early adulthood with episodes of

 

          4    serious affective and impulsive discontrol and high levels of

 

          5    use of health and mental health resources.

 

          6       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          7       Q.   And the next sentence says, the impairment from the

 

          8    disorder and the risk of suicide are greatest in the young adult

 

          9    years and gradually wane with advancing age.

 

         10       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         11       Q.   And then the final sentence under that paragraph says,

 

         12    during their 30's and 40's, the majority of individuals with

 

         13    this disorder attain greater stability in their relationships

 

         14    and vocational functioning, is that correct?

 

         15       A.   Yes, sir, that what it says.

 

         16       Q.   Do you agree with that?

 

         17       A.   Yes, sir, for an individual with strictly borderline

 

         18    personality disorder.  That doesn't take into account other

 

         19    traits such as the defendant has with narcissistic and

 

         20    antisocial traits.  I think that might skew those statements a

 

         21    little bit.

 

         22       Q.   Now, the DSM-4 is not an exact science, is it?

 

         23       A.   No, sir, I'm not aware of any exact science.

 

         24       Q.   So really when psychologists and psychiatrists are using

 

         25    the DSM-4, they are really giving as in this case their opinion

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    to a jury of 12 people, simply their opinion based on their

 

          2    experience, and there is no -- is that correct?

 

          3       A.   Yes, sir, I would agree with that, and I feel that

 

          4    that's a point that I would like to make today, is this is my

 

          5    opinion.

 

          6       Q.   Yes, sir.  And there is no certainty that the opinion

 

          7    that you give is correct?

 

          8       A.   That is absolutely true.

 

          9       Q.   And under your diagnosis and prognosis in this case, on

 

         10    Page 33, you do not use the word "psychopath," do you?

 

         11       A.   Not on Page 33.  As I indicated before, psychopath or

 

         12    psychopathy is not a formal diagnosis in the DSM-4.

 

         13       Q.   I understand.  It's not even a formal diagnosis in the

 

         14    DSM-4, is that correct?

 

         15       A.   No, sir, it's a theoretical construct.

 

         16       Q.   And theoretical construct, what does that mean?

 

         17       A.   Well, the DSM-4 in its history, the previous editions

 

         18    used to be more theoretical in nature when you were diagnosing

 

         19    someone.  But as it has been revised over the years, they have

 

         20    tried to go to being able to diagnose someone based strictly on

 

         21    behavioral things that you can see, did this happen, did that

 

         22    happen, you know, and they have gotten away from theoretical

 

         23    constructs such as psychopathy or theoretical underline of any

 

         24    of the disorders.  And that has been one major criticism of the

 

         25    DSM-3, particularly as it applies to psychopathy and antisocial

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    personality disorder.

 

          2       Q.   On Page 34 of your report, Dr. Duncan, you have a part

 

          3    here that says, Mr. Barnette's borderline personality disorder

 

          4    features include, and you list them.  Is that your opinion that

 

          5    you are giving?

 

          6       A.   Yes, sir, it is.

 

          7       Q.   And number 3 is, it's your opinion that one of those

 

          8    features is recurrent suicidal behavior gestures or threats, is

 

          9    that correct?

 

         10       A.   Yes, sir, the --

 

         11       Q.   Is that correct?

 

         12            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, the witness is trying to

 

         13    explain.  He said yes, sir.

 

         14            MR. WILLIAMS:  Well, he's -- yes or no.

 

         15            THE COURT:  Wait just a second.  You can answer that yes

 

         16    and then explain.

 

         17            THE WITNESS:  Yes, sir.  I think what I testified to

 

         18    earlier was that based on collateral information and a review of

 

         19    his medical records, et cetera, we could not come up with any

 

         20    collateral information to suggest that he had ever attempted

 

         21    suicide.  He had made statements that he had, but we didn't have

 

         22    outside sources to prove that.  So suicidal behavior wasn't

 

         23    nearly as influential in putting that in as was his suicidal

 

         24    threats, because not only did he say that he made threats, but

 

         25    we got that from a variety of other different sources.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1            BY MR. WILLIAMS:

 

          2       Q.   And then under your Mr. Barnette's antisocial

 

          3    personality traits include, you have listed as number 3,

 

          4    impulsivity or failure to plan ahead.  That was your opinion?

 

          5       A.   Yes, sir.  The defendant not only in our interview

 

          6    showed impulsivity when he became very angry on the one

 

          7    occasion, but he is going through the, the research has shown,

 

          8    impulsive behavior.  He has also shown other planned behavior,

 

          9    but some of his behavior has been impulsive.

 

         10       Q.   But you say, and this is your opinion in this document,

 

         11    is that correct?

 

         12       A.   Well, that is one -- the way you make antisocial

 

         13    personality traits is if the individual has a history of

 

         14    engaging in impulsive behavior, then that is one example.  That

 

         15    doesn't mean that they always engage in impulsive behavior, that

 

         16    they just do that on occasion.

 

         17       Q.   I understand.  But you are giving your opinion to this

 

         18    jury based on your examination that one of his traits there is,

 

         19    in fact, failure to plan ahead?

 

         20       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         21       Q.   Pardon, is that right?

 

         22       A.   That -- at times, he does show an inability or a lack of

 

         23    ability to plan, make specific plans ahead.

 

         24       Q.   Now, this PCL-R test that you talked about to this jury,

 

         25    you have reviewed Dr. Halleck's report, correct?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          2       Q.   There is no reference in his report to a PCL-R test, is

 

          3    there?

 

          4       A.   No, sir.

 

          5       Q.   You reviewed Dr. Sultan's report and you've reviewed her

 

          6    testing and raw data, correct?

 

          7       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          8       Q.   There is no reference in there to a PCL-R test, is

 

          9    there?

 

         10       A.   No, sir.

 

         11       Q.   You reviewed Dr. Cunningham's report and his raw data,

 

         12    and there is no reference to a PCL-R test in there, is there?

 

         13       A.   No, I don't think Dr. Cunningham or Dr. Halleck

 

         14    conducted any tests.

 

         15       Q.   And Dr. Sultan, same thing, I believe you said, no PCL-R

 

         16    test?

 

         17       A.   No PCL-R.  She did conduct some tests.

 

         18       Q.   And you've reviewed the Butner report by Dr. Sally

 

         19    Johnson, and there was no reference to any PCL-R test in there

 

         20    either, was there?

 

         21       A.   That is correct, yes, sir.

 

         22       Q.   So you are the only person who has come into this court

 

         23    or provided this court with a report that even mentions PCL-R or

 

         24    psychopathy, isn't that true?

 

         25            MR. CONRAD:  Objection as to what he knows who came into

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    the court.  He has been sequestered the whole time.

 

          2            THE COURT:  Sustained the way the question was phrased.

 

          3            BY MR. WILLIAMS:

 

          4       Q.   Well, you reviewed all of these reports, and based upon

 

          5    your reviewing all the reports and information, Dr. Duncan, you

 

          6    know that you are the only person from a mental health

 

          7    standpoint that has mentioned the PCL-R test or referred to the

 

          8    word "psychopath"?

 

          9       A.   Yes, sir, based on what I have reviewed, yes, sir.

 

         10       Q.   And you know that in the opinion that you have rendered,

 

         11    that when you list certain key indicators to be valuable in

 

         12    predicting the increase and likelihood of a person to act in a

 

         13    violent manner in the future that you list on Page 36 and you

 

         14    went through prior arrests, race, and those various things,

 

         15    those are all common factors that relate to risk assessment in a

 

         16    free society or in a free community, not in the prison system,

 

         17    isn't that correct?

 

         18       A.   Well, these are list factors that are produced primarily

 

         19    by Dr. John Monahan's research, and they would be more

 

         20    applicable to society in general.  But they are not -- they are

 

         21    not not used in the prison setting.  There are a number of these

 

         22    that go into factoring within our federal prison system into

 

         23    factoring what is called a total security score, and a number of

 

         24    these are reflected in there.  Probably the one that shows about

 

         25    30 to 40 percent, approximately 35 percent of the ability to

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    predict is someone's age.  We can, in the federal prison system,

 

          2    we can predict just based on someone's age at a greater -- 35

 

          3    percent greater likelihood of future violence.

 

          4       Q.   And when you talk about -- and you know from the tests

 

          5    that with age, a person's future violence declines, you have

 

          6    seen those tests, haven't you?

 

          7       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          8       Q.   And that's true, isn't it, with age, the person declines

 

          9    with regard to violence?

 

         10       A.   That is true with people in general.  However, the

 

         11    research also points out that psychopaths tend to as they grow

 

         12    older tend to have less of a risk of recidivating.  However, the

 

         13    research also suggests that violent psychopaths don't drop

 

         14    nearly as quick and they have a higher rate of acting violently

 

         15    than either nonviolent psychopaths or criminals in general, or

 

         16    the general public.

 

         17       Q.   Tell the jury how many different prisons, prison type

 

         18    security systems are available in the federal prison system with

 

         19    regard to low risk, high risk, that kind of thing?

 

         20       A.   We have our minimum security camps, we have our low

 

         21    security institutions, we have our medium security institutions,

 

         22    we have our penitentiary or higher security, maximum security

 

         23    institutions, we have administrative facilities such as

 

         24    metropolitan correctional institutes that can hold all security

 

         25    levels, we have psychiatric hospitals that typically are either

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    low, medium or high or are administrative, and we have what is

 

          2    called an administrative maximum security facility.  The main

 

          3    one is in Florence, Colorado, but they also have one in Marion,

 

          4    Illinois.

 

          5       Q.   And is that sometimes referred to as a Super Max

 

          6    facility?

 

          7       A.   I have heard it referred do as a Super Max.  We refer to

 

          8    it as the ADX.

 

          9       Q.   And that's one of the highest security prisons in the

 

         10    country under the federal system?

 

         11       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         12       Q.   And is that where if somebody were in that place, they

 

         13    would be locked away in their cell for like basically 23 hours a

 

         14    day and only be able to come out once a day?

 

         15            MR. CONRAD:  Objection.

 

         16            THE COURT:  Sustained.

 

         17            MR. WILLIAMS:  If you know.

 

         18            MR. CONRAD:  Objection.

 

         19            THE COURT:  Overruled if he knows.  Do you know that?

 

         20            THE WITNESS:  Yes, sir.  Yes, they are locked in their

 

         21    cells 23 hours a day.

 

         22            BY MR. WILLIAMS:

 

         23       Q.   And only get to come out one hour a day?

 

         24       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         25       Q.   Let me ask you if you are familiar with the article, I

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    think you mentioned --

 

          2            MR. WILLIAMS:  I'm almost through, Your Honor.

 

          3            THE COURT:  I was going to say that we need to take a

 

          4    little recess.

 

          5            MR. WILLIAMS:  No, I'm almost through, Your Honor.

 

          6            May I approach the witness?

 

          7            THE COURT:  Yes.

 

          8            BY MR. WILLIAMS:

 

          9       Q.   Let me ask you if you are familiar with an article

 

         10    written in 1996 by the American Psychological Association,

 

         11    Clinical Psychology, Science and Practice, that I will show you

 

         12    that is entitled, A Review and Meta-Analysis of the Psychopathy

 

         13    Checklist and Psychopathy Checklist-Revised:  Predictive

 

         14    Validity of Dangerousness, are you familiar with that article?

 

         15       A.   Let me double check here, sir.  (Witness reviews

 

         16    document.)  Yes, sir, I have the Journal -- its the Journal of

 

         17    Clinical Psychology, it's not the American Psychological

 

         18    Association.

 

         19       Q.   And that is an article that was written in 1996,

 

         20    American Psychological Association?

 

         21       A.   No, sir, it was --

 

         22       Q.   Is that what's written at the bottom of page?

 

         23       A.   Yes, sir, that's what is written at the bottom of the

 

         24    page.  It was actually in the clinical psychology journal.

 

         25       Q.   Right, Clinical Psychology, Science and Practice?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          2       Q.   Fall of 1996?

 

          3       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          4       Q.   And that was a study of the PCL-R, PCL and PCL-R

 

          5    revised?

 

          6       A.   Yes, sir.

 

          7       Q.   And on Page 207, it says under the generalizability of

 

          8    the PCL, are you with me?

 

          9       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         10       Q.   At present, the generalizibility of the PCL-R to

 

         11    differing populations in clinical settings remains largely

 

         12    untested.  The efforts to evaluate the reliability and validity

 

         13    of the PCL/PCL-R are almost exclusively limited to forensic

 

         14    populations within the Canadian criminal justice system.  This

 

         15    population is primarily composed of white males, resulting in

 

         16    limited information regarding its applicability to minority

 

         17    populations, e.g., Asian Americans, African Americans, and

 

         18    Hispanic Americans.  Is that an accurate statement?

 

         19       A.   Yes, sir, it is.

 

         20       Q.   Down at the bottom of the page, it says, a sole study,

 

         21    Kosson, Smith and Newman in 1990, addresses psychopathy in

 

         22    African-American inmates.  Kosson and his colleagues found that

 

         23    there are substantial differences between African Americans and

 

         24    Anglo-Americans in (a), the distribution of psychopathy scores,

 

         25    (b) the relation of psychopathy to measures of impulsivity,

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    (c) the congruence of the underlying factor structure of the PCL

 

          2    across these ethnic groups.  Regarding prior criminal behavior,

 

          3    though, the authors found that both Anglo-American and

 

          4    African-American samples manifest similar differences between

 

          5    psychopaths and nonpsychopaths.  Despite Kosson and colleagues

 

          6    cautious optimism, we do not believe the existing validity data

 

          7    justify the use of the PCL-R with minority groups.  Is that what

 

          8    that article says?

 

          9       A.   That's what this article says, yes, sir.

 

         10       Q.   And also, does it say in the same page, the

 

         11    generalizability of the PCL requires formal investigations with

 

         12    groups other than Anglo-American male inmates in the Canadian

 

         13    criminal justice system, is that correct?

 

         14       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         15       Q.   And lastly it says, however, until more specific

 

         16    information regarding these studies is available, clinicians are

 

         17    cautioned against using the PCL with groups other than those

 

         18    that have been investigated formally and more thoroughly, is

 

         19    that correct?

 

         20       A.   Yes, sir, that's what this article --

 

         21       Q.   Is that what that 1996 article says?

 

         22       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         23       Q.   And the last sentence of this article says on Page,

 

         24    whatever it is?

 

         25       A.   212, I believe, 213.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       Q.   We recommend that psychologists only employ the PCL with

 

          2    caution when making risk assessments beyond Anglo-American

 

          3    offenders.  Is that what it says?

 

          4       A.   Yes, that's what this article says.

 

          5            MR. WILLIAMS:  Thank you very much.

 

          6            THE COURT:  Redirect?

 

          7            MR. CONRAD:  Yes, sir.

 

          8                      REBUTTAL REDIRECT EXAMINATION

 

          9            BY MR. CONRAD:

 

         10       Q.   Have you used caution in applying the PCL-R in this

 

         11    case?

 

         12       A.   Considerable caution.  Since that particular study has

 

         13    come out, there have been a number of additional studies.  That

 

         14    study was a very good study, because it prompted people to come

 

         15    out and take a look at those concepts and problems.  And that

 

         16    was what I was referring to earlier with Dr. Richard --

 

         17    Dr. Henry Richards's work at the Patuxent Institute that will be

 

         18    presented on "Dateline" and in future journals to come, I talked

 

         19    with him the other day.

 

         20            Dr. Kluver, who is a Dutch psychologist.  Just published

 

         21    a book which addresses that issue, it's called Psychopathy -- I

 

         22    don't know the, off the top of my head the actual title.

 

         23    Dr. Hare has chapters in that book along with other leading

 

         24    experts, and that addresses the issue of African-American

 

         25    populations and use of that on the PCL-R.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1       Q.   And what is the conclusion with respect to the use in

 

          2    that situation?

 

          3       A.   The conclusion of everything that I could find the most

 

          4    update information that even is currently in press, including

 

          5    John Monahan's work which will come out in Science Magazine

 

          6    later this year, is that, yes, indeed, as I stated earlier, yes,

 

          7    indeed, the PCL-R, on average, African-American males or African

 

          8    Americans will score approximately two points higher on the

 

          9    PCL-R.  However, when you take a look at using it in a clinical

 

         10    setting, it still scores -- it still is able to predict African

 

         11    Americans just as well as it does non-African Americans with a

 

         12    cutoff score of 30.

 

         13       Q.   If you took two points away from the defendant

 

         14    Barnette's score, would he still be in the above 30 range?

 

         15       A.   Well, that's what I did, is if you allow two points from

 

         16    the cutoff of 30, if you allow two points, that brings you up to

 

         17    32 for the defendant being African American.  If you -- the

 

         18    PCL-R has what we call a three-point standard error of

 

         19    measurement, and even if you go and -- even if you exercise

 

         20    extreme caution and go three points above one standard error of

 

         21    measurement, you still come up with a score of 35.

 

         22            Now, a score of 35 on the PCL-R is at the 98th

 

         23    percentile, so that is an extremely cautious score.  When you

 

         24    factor both of those things in there and then factor in the most

 

         25    recent research since the 1996 article, you find that even a

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    score of 35 still predicts very well whether someone, as a

 

          2    single predictor, predicts very well whether someone will be

 

          3    violent in the future.

 

          4            But that's not the only method that we use, we used a

 

          5    three-method approach; so I think I exercised a great deal of

 

          6    caution before making the statement that I feel the defendant is

 

          7    potentially future -- future is dangerous.

 

          8       Q.   Now, Mr. Williams asked you about the impulsivity

 

          9    finding.  Based upon your examination of the defendant and your

 

         10    review of the collateral information, do you have an opinion as

 

         11    to his ability to have planned the crimes that he committed in

 

         12    this case?

 

         13       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         14       Q.   And what is that opinion?

 

         15       A.   In review of everything, in review of his diagnosis, in

 

         16    review of -- and in view of the issue of being a psychopath, in

 

         17    review of everything, he has in my professional opinion

 

         18    demonstrated the -- has the definite ability to plan and --

 

         19       Q.   Now, you were asked about the threat of suicide as one

 

         20    of the factors you used in making your diagnosis.  Can I turn

 

         21    your attention to Page 16 of your report?

 

         22       A.   Yes, sir.

 

         23       Q.   And ask you whether or not the defendant reported taking

 

         24    pills on one occasion in Roanoke but did not believe it was a

 

         25    serious suicide attempt, he prefaced his statement by stating

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    that he had, quote, the whole suicide ploy, dot dot dot, end of

 

          2    quote, would you tell the jury about that conversation?

 

          3       A.   Yes, sir.  We had asked the defendant about his history

 

          4    of being suicidal and the different occasions, and he was

 

          5    relating different occasions where he talked about ingesting

 

          6    pills.  And he had on one of those occasions as you had pointed

 

          7    out in the report, he referred to his behavior of being suicidal

 

          8    as, quote, the whole -- using the whole suicide ploy.

 

          9       Q.   Now, did you ask him a series of questions related to

 

         10    whether or not he had ever returned to Virginia between the time

 

         11    of the fire bombing and the time of the murders?

 

         12       A.   Yes, sir, I did.

 

         13       Q.   And tell the jury about that.

 

         14       A.   Well, I initially did not get a direct answer from the

 

         15    defendant.

 

         16            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Objection to the conclusion.

 

         17            MR. CONRAD:  That's not a conclusion.

 

         18            THE COURT:  Overruled, go ahead.  He is characterizing

 

         19    an answer that he is giving, go ahead, overruled.

 

         20            THE WITNESS:  He stated that he wanted to go visit

 

         21    Ms. Williams in the hospital, and I'm paraphrasing, he said that

 

         22    he wouldn't know what to say to her, he wanted to say he was

 

         23    sorry but really wouldn't know what to say.  And I had to ask

 

         24    him -- I believe Dr. Grant had asked him that question initially

 

         25    and I had to ask him several times afterwards, did you go up to

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    Virginia after the fire bombing, and he told me that, no,

 

          2    indeed.  After a couple of times, he finally said, no, I didn't.

 

          3            MR. CONRAD:  That's all I have.

 

          4            THE COURT:  Thank you, sir, been a long day.  Thank you,

 

          5    sir, you may step down.

 

          6            Members of the jury, if you'll excuse us for a few

 

          7    minutes, we've got to figure out a schedule and we'll call you

 

          8    back.  That's the reason we have held you here instead of

 

          9    sending you to lunch, so you might be able to take off.  Do not

 

         10    discuss the case among yourselves while you are out.

 

         11            (The jury left the courtroom.)

 

         12            THE COURT:  Anything more from the government?

 

         13            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, I think there is an exhibit

 

         14    that we have not yet -- well, no, nothing more from the

 

         15    government.

 

         16            THE COURT:  Defense?

 

         17            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Yes, we have a surrebuttal witness.

 

         18            THE COURT:  This is Dr. Cunningham?

 

         19            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Yes, sir.

 

         20            THE COURT:  All right, I'll hear from the government on

 

         21    that.

 

         22            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, I would object to the

 

         23    surrebuttal of Dr. Cunningham.  He testified here yesterday.

 

         24    These attorneys asked their experts questions about their

 

         25    evaluation of Dr. Duncan and Grant's report, and again today,

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    the expert Halleck's opinions of those reports were quoted.

 

          2    They have had Dr. Duncan and Grant's reports.  They had

 

          3    Dr. Cunningham up on the stand --

 

          4            THE COURT:  When did they get the report?

 

          5            MR. CONRAD:  I think it was filed -- let me see.

 

          6            MR. LAUGHRUN:  January 3rd.

 

          7            MR. CONRAD:  His report was filed January 29th.

 

          8            MR. LAUGHRUN:  We got it the 30th, Your Honor.

 

          9            MR. CONRAD:  They asked some of their experts to

 

         10    critique Dr. Duncan and Grant's report and Dr. Halleck did, and

 

         11    again, it was used today.  They strategically chose not to ask

 

         12    Dr. Cunningham that.  They had him on the witness stand, subject

 

         13    to cross-examination.  They want a second bite at the apple,

 

         14    Judge.  They could have done that yesterday.  They made a

 

         15    strategic choice not to and to file a motion in limine to get

 

         16    the Court to rule that was inadmissible.  They could have filed

 

         17    that motion in limine January 30th, Judge.  They chose this

 

         18    morning after Dr. Cunningham got off the stand.  They chose this

 

         19    morning to file that motion, hoping you would rule in their

 

         20    favor.  You ruled against them, and the evidence came in and

 

         21    it's not an excuse for not asking Dr. Cunningham yesterday those

 

         22    questions.  And it was a strategic choice they made, and I would

 

         23    contend to Your Honor that this jury has been presented with

 

         24    evidence from defense and the government, and it's time to argue

 

         25    this case and have a decision.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1            THE COURT:  All right.

 

          2            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Judge, rebuttal is just what it says, you

 

          3    rebut what the other side puts up.  What if we had asked

 

          4    Dr. Cunningham, tell us about this PCL-R, and the government

 

          5    doesn't offer it?  It's not rebuttal.  They could object, number

 

          6    one, but the report is not in evidence.  It's not Your Honor's

 

          7    report, it's the government's report.  Regardless of what

 

          8    Dr. Duncan said, it's the government's report.

 

          9            Now, we have a right to rebut their rebuttal evidence.

 

         10    We could put up witnesses to say, he didn't get fired from

 

         11    Camelot Music, he quit voluntarily, if we wanted to.  We are not

 

         12    doing that.  We have got one witness who's going to talk about

 

         13    the PCL-R and the PCL-R only, about how it's questionable in the

 

         14    science.  There will be a brief witness, it's not going to be

 

         15    long, we're not going through a slide show, none of that.  He is

 

         16    going to talk about the PCL-R and how invalid.  And it's not a

 

         17    questionable -- it's a questionable instrument in the field of

 

         18    psychology.  Judge, this jury is being left with the impression

 

         19    that that's the Bible, that psychopathy checklist is the Bible

 

         20    when it's not.  It's in controversy, and they need to hear that.

 

         21            MR. CONRAD:  Judge?

 

         22            THE COURT:  I don't think so, Mr. Laughrun.  Go ahead.

 

         23            MR. CONRAD:  He was crossed on that.  They crossed him

 

         24    thoroughly on that.

 

         25            THE COURT:  I was going to say, Mr. Williams thoroughly

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    cross-examined him, this witness, on the American Psychological

 

          2    Association article, Science and Practice, Volume 3 I guess it

 

          3    is, Number 3, Fall of 1996, article by Randall T. Salekin,

 

          4    S-A-L-E-K-I-N, Richard Rogers and Kenneth W. Sewell,

 

          5    S-E-W-E-L-L, University of North Texas.  I think it was pretty

 

          6    well pointed out in pages in this article, Pages 207, 208, there

 

          7    was some question about the use of it.  Let's see 207, 208,

 

          8    213.  Finally getting down to Page 213, it wound up, although

 

          9    these results are encouraging, until specific information

 

         10    regarding these findings is provided and additional reverse is

 

         11    conducted, we recommend that psychologists only employ the PCL

 

         12    with caution when making risk assessments beyond Anglo-American

 

         13    offenders.  Page 207 and 208 very clearly points out, which was

 

         14    read by Mr. Williams on the cross-examination of Dr. Duncan, a

 

         15    sole study, Page 207, a sole study, Kosson, Smith and Newman,

 

         16    1990, addresses psychopathy in African-American inmates.  Kosson

 

         17    and his colleagues found that there are substantial differences

 

         18    between African Americans and Anglo-Americans in (a) the

 

         19    distribution of psychopathy scores, (b) the relation of

 

         20    psychopathy to measures of impulsiveness -- impulsivity, and

 

         21    (c) the congruence of the underlying factor structure of the PCL

 

         22    across these ethnic groups.  Regarding prior criminal behavior,

 

         23    though, the authors found that the Anglo-American and

 

         24    African-American samples manifest similar differences between

 

         25    psychopaths and nonpsychopaths.  Despite Kosson and colleagues

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    cautious optimism, we do not believe the existing validity data

 

          2    justifies the use of the PCL-R with minority groups.

 

          3            Like data available on the usefulness of the PCL-R with

 

          4    adolescent offenders, and so forth.  All of that was put into

 

          5    evidence before the jury by Mr. Williams, and I just don't see

 

          6    that anything additional needs to be said about it at this time.

 

          7    Motion will be denied.

 

          8            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Judge, we would like to offer that as an

 

          9    exhibit in rebuttal.

 

         10            THE COURT:  All right, sir, go ahead -- what is that?

 

         11            MR. LAUGHRUN:  This article that you just read, we would

 

         12    like to offer that as an exhibit in rebuttal.

 

         13            THE COURT:  You want to put this into evidence?

 

         14            MR. CONRAD:  No objection.

 

         15            THE COURT:  No objection, put it in.

 

         16            MR. LAUGHRUN:  I have got it marked, Number 60.

 

         17            THE COURT:  All right, put it in.

 

         18            MR. LAUGHRUN:  We would also like to proffer, Judge,

 

         19    maybe not now because the jury is here, maybe after lunch, what

 

         20    Dr. Cunningham would say in rebuttal for the record.

 

         21            THE COURT:  For the record.

 

         22            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Right, not in front of the jury because

 

         23    you've already overruled our objection.

 

         24            THE COURT:  We are not going to wait until after lunch,

 

         25    we're going to do it as soon as I send that jury home right now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1            MR. LAUGHRUN:  That's fine, that's fine.  I'm not trying

 

          2    to not keep them, is what I'm trying to do, not hold them up,

 

          3    Judge.

 

          4            THE COURT:  You want to put that in evidence when they

 

          5    come back in, is that correct?

 

          6            MR. LAUGHRUN:  We can do it --

 

          7            THE COURT:  This article, you have to put it in before

 

          8    the jury.

 

          9            MR. LAUGHRUN:  That's fine, we can do it before the jury

 

         10    comes in, that's fine.

 

         11            THE COURT:  Pardon?

 

         12            MR. LAUGHRUN:  I don't want the jury to sit there and

 

         13    read it all.

 

         14            THE COURT:  No, I'm not going to do that.

 

         15            MR. LAUGHRUN:  We can tender it to Sammy.  I want to

 

         16    make sure -- we have got some markings.  I want to get a clean

 

         17    copy, Judge.

 

         18            THE COURT:  Well, I have got a -- I don't think I marked

 

         19    it up, I just took notes on it.  I have got a clean copy right

 

         20    here.  Put a sticker on it and we will give it to her,

 

         21    Mr. Laughrun.

 

         22            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Judge, I just flipped through mine, it's

 

         23    a clean copy.  We have also got an Exhibit Number 61 and 62 that

 

         24    we offer.

 

         25            THE COURT:  Pictures or something?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1            MR. LAUGHRUN:  That Brian Ard identified.  Judge, this

 

          2    exhibit, the psychopathy article will be 64.  I apologize, I got

 

          3    the wrong number.

 

          4            THE COURT:  What number is that article going to be?

 

          5            MR. LAUGHRUN:  64, Judge Potter.

 

          6            THE COURT:  64?

 

          7            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Yes, sir.  I would like to offer those to

 

          8    the Clerk if I may, Judge.

 

          9            THE COURT:  Okay.  That's the article or the pictures?

 

         10            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Article and the pictures.

 

         11            THE COURT:  I thought you had that one marked up.  I

 

         12    have already given her a clean one she can use.  You got a clean

 

         13    one?  Okay, just so it's clean.

 

         14            All right, we're going to call the jury in -- no, wait a

 

         15    minute, got to get the scheduling part of it.  Defense attorneys

 

         16    say they want to wait until Monday, government wants to go

 

         17    ahead, I'm ready to go ahead, but I'll hear a little bit more

 

         18    from both of you on that score.

 

         19            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Judge, it is now 1:30.  By the time we

 

         20    put up the proffer, it's going to be 2:00 roughly.  We still

 

         21    have a list of mitigating factors that we have cut and pasted in

 

         22    the last couple of days.  Mr. Williams was with Dr. Cunningham

 

         23    until 9:30 last night going over anticipated testimony today.

 

         24    We are just not ready to give you our proposed mitigating list

 

         25    based on the schedule we got from you on Monday.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1            Now, the government's wanted to argue today, basically.

 

          2    The charge conference is going to take a while, it's lengthy.

 

          3    We are not ready.  We just got the government's amended

 

          4    instructions Monday morning.  I know Mr. Walker worked on them

 

          5    all day Saturday.

 

          6            THE COURT:  Well, they took out the very part I was

 

          7    really concerned about.  They took out the part, I think, about

 

          8    the aggravating factors -- whatever it was, they have taken that

 

          9    out, I know that, but I don't know about the rest of it.

 

         10            All right, sir, I understand what you are talking about.

 

         11    Anything else?

 

         12            MR. LAUGHRUN:  I would ask if you will let us argue

 

         13    first thing Monday morning, we'll be ready to go Monday morning,

 

         14    because the problem is going to be if you let us argue tomorrow,

 

         15    this jury is going to get the case sometime after lunch

 

         16    probably, and in all likelihood, due to the complicated nature

 

         17    of the verdict sheet, not because you're making it complicated,

 

         18    it's just a complicated item, that they may be deliberating two

 

         19    hours and go home.

 

         20            THE COURT:  Well, aren't they going to do the same thing

 

         21    on Monday?

 

         22            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Well, they might.  They could be here all

 

         23    day Monday and have a verdict without being interrupted or

 

         24    whatever.

 

         25            THE COURT:  Not interrupting tomorrow, are we?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Well, but they are going to be here for a

 

          2    couple hours.  We are not going to be ready, Judge, to be candid

 

          3    with you, get our mitigating factors --

 

          4            THE COURT:  All right, defense counsel is not ready is

 

          5    what you are telling me.

 

          6            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Yes, sir, that's correct.

 

          7            THE COURT:  What does the government say?

 

          8            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, I mean, our first jury

 

          9    instructions were submitted at the beginning of the sentencing

 

         10    phase.  The amended jury instructions are slightly different.

 

         11    They have had full opportunity to look at that.  Everybody knew

 

         12    the charge conference was going to end when the evidence ended,

 

         13    and everybody knew that the evidence was going to end today at

 

         14    noon, now 1:30.  So everybody has had plenty of time to prepare

 

         15    for the charge conference.  This is the second charge conference

 

         16    in the case, we know how long it's going to take based upon what

 

         17    happened before.  There is no reason at all to waste a day and

 

         18    to start on Monday.

 

         19            THE COURT:  My big concern is that we only have 12

 

         20    jurors and we also have an opportunity to lose one over the

 

         21    weekend.  Let me ask you this, if we do this, would you agree to

 

         22    11 jurors in case something happens?

 

         23            MR. LAUGHRUN:  No, sir.

 

         24            THE COURT:  All right, sir.

 

         25            MR. LAUGHRUN:  But, Judge, I'll say we relied on what --

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    the case is moving faster than everybody thought.  On Monday, we

 

          2    set the tentative schedule.  You said we'll have Friday -- and

 

          3    this is tentative, I understand, and that's how we planned.  We

 

          4    figured, okay, we've got these mitigating factors we've got to

 

          5    submit to you, we are going to put that on the back burner

 

          6    because we've got to put on our evidence this week.  And the

 

          7    government knows how difficult it is to work and try to

 

          8    coordinate witnesses, experts, people from out of town, out of

 

          9    state, whatever, and try to inconvenience them as least as

 

         10    possible.  We tried to do that.  We've got mitigating factors

 

         11    that have cut and pasted all over Paul Williams' conference room

 

         12    that we can't come to you right now this afternoon in 30 minutes

 

         13    and say, well, John Doe said this is a mitigating factor, here

 

         14    it is in the transcript.  That's why we've been trying to do and

 

         15    that's why we wanted daily transcripts because when we argue to

 

         16    Your Honor a mitigating factor is there, we can say, on

 

         17    February 2nd, this witness testified to that.  And it puts us at

 

         18    a real disadvantage and we relied on the schedule that we

 

         19    tentatively -- the government didn't say early this week, well,

 

         20    I object to that, let's argue Friday.  Everybody was in

 

         21    agreement, the case would get through sometime today, we have

 

         22    tomorrow to do the charge conference and argue on Monday.

 

         23    That's what we -- there was no objection from the government

 

         24    then.

 

         25            MR. CONRAD:  Judge, what we agreed to, we had asked

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    George Laughrun to bring Dr. Cunningham on Tuesday so Dr. Doctor

 

          2    Cunningham could testify Tuesday, but they scheduled him to come

 

          3    or to come in Monday so he could testify Tuesday afternoon,

 

          4    scheduled him to come in Tuesday.  We wasted time in putting him

 

          5    on in the morning, we said instead of Tuesday we had days

 

          6    between the guilt phase and trial phase, additional days to give

 

          7    them time to prepare, and we shouldn't waste a day and make the

 

          8    families come back.  And we had an extra day because the

 

          9    defendant wanted to start on Monday instead of tomorrow.

 

         10             MR. LAUGHRUN:  Judge, it's ironic at the sentencing

 

         11    phase, we wanted to start at 9:30 Thursday morning.  Mr. Conrad

 

         12    asked Your Honor, we need until 2:00 o'clock, Judge.  Those were

 

         13    his exact words.

 

         14            MR. CONRAD:  Because we didn't get the information we

 

         15    were entitled to before that.

 

         16            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Well, and I'll tell you this, Judge,

 

         17    about Dr. Cunningham, we had him come in four hours early, he

 

         18    had to change his ticket to come in because the government was

 

         19    fussing they didn't have all his information, he flew in early

 

         20    and brought it to them in person.  So you are right, we have had

 

         21    to coordinate, and Your Honor knows, you've sat at tables, you

 

         22    know how it is to coordinate people, it's difficult to do.  For

 

         23    us to come in -- we are talking about the most important part of

 

         24    this case.  Guilt innocence phase was important, it's not the

 

         25    critical issue of this case.  Your Honor knows that from our

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    pleadings and everything else.  And to have us come in at the

 

          2    last minute arguing for this man's life and have to cut and

 

          3    paste mitigating factors together in 30 minutes, 45 minutes,

 

          4    that's extremely unfair.  This case is a week and a half ahead

 

          5    of schedule.

 

          6            THE COURT:  All right, Mr. Laughrun, we're wasting

 

          7    everybody's time.  I'm going to go ahead and go along with you.

 

          8    I've denied and I'll make sure you understand that, I've denied

 

          9    the motion in limine, denied your letting Dr. Cunningham come

 

         10    back again, and we will go ahead and wait until Monday.

 

         11            Mr. Conrad, I just feel like -- I know we're bending

 

         12    over backwards on this thing.  They've had an opportunity, but

 

         13    they also have some problems, I understand that.  So we'll go

 

         14    ahead and tell the jury to take tomorrow off and come back on

 

         15    Monday.

 

         16            I was disappointed that you wouldn't agree to the 11

 

         17    jurors, though, because that's the one thing that's concerning

 

         18    me most, Mr. Laughrun.

 

         19            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Judge, I respect your opinion.  I've

 

         20    appeared before Your Honor since 1982, I respect that.  I

 

         21    respectfully have to disagree with you.

 

         22            THE COURT:  All right, sir, call the jury.

 

         23            (The jury returned to the courtroom.)

 

         24            THE COURT:  Members of the jury, you been very patient.

 

         25    I know y'all are getting hungry, ready to get your lunch.  We

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    wanted to get through as much as we could so that we could let

 

          2    you go ahead and go home today.

 

          3            Now, we have some things to take up tomorrow, and like

 

          4    we did before, we will let you have Friday off and come back on

 

          5    Monday.  Everybody agree to that all right?

 

          6            (Jurors nod heads.)

 

          7            THE COURT:  Monday morning at 9:30, at which time we

 

          8    will have the final arguments by the attorneys, the Court's

 

          9    instructions and you will commence your deliberations, hopefully

 

         10    sometime by 12:00 or 1:00 or 2:00 o'clock in the afternoon.

 

         11    I'll tell you then and I'll tell you now, of course, that you

 

         12    can take as long or short a time as you want in your

 

         13    deliberations.  Just be sure whenever you do deliberate that you

 

         14    give thorough consideration to all of the evidence which is in

 

         15    before you now.

 

         16            Now, it's extremely important particularly, it's always

 

         17    important, but it's extremely important now -- by the way, the

 

         18    government hasn't rested yet.

 

         19            MR. CONRAD:  We rest.

 

         20            THE COURT:  Have you rested too?

 

         21            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Yes, sir, we do, Your Honor.

 

         22            THE COURT:  Something else, you have an exhibit you

 

         23    wanted to put in evidence?

 

         24            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Yes, sir, Numbers 60, 61, 62, Judge, and

 

         25    if we can pass that to the jury, it will just take them a second

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    to peruse it before they leave.

 

          2            THE COURT:  One of those is that article that Dr. Duncan

 

          3    was being cross-examined about this afternoon.

 

          4            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Judge, we can do that -- we don't have to

 

          5    even pass it to them.

 

          6            THE COURT:  I'm not going to do it now, I'm just letting

 

          7    them know what it was.  You're talking about 60, 61 and 62.

 

          8            THE CLERK:  60, 61 and 62.

 

          9            MR. LAUGHRUN:  We don't need to pass it now, we can show

 

         10    it to them at some point.

 

         11            THE COURT:  We are not going to pass it today, I tell

 

         12    you, they're ready to go home.

 

         13            MR. LAUGHRUN:  That's fine.

 

         14            THE COURT:  In any event, that was one of the exhibits

 

         15    that Dr. Duncan was cross-examined on by Mr. Williams.

 

         16            I think I was telling you, extremely important at this

 

         17    time you do not discuss the case with anyone.  Do not look at

 

         18    any newspaper articles about it.  Fortunately, there hasn't been

 

         19    much, I don't think.  I don't read the Charlotte paper, but I

 

         20    don't think there's been any publicity, I haven't heard about

 

         21    any.  But do not read anything about it.  Do not let anybody

 

         22    tell you what they saw in the paper.  Do not look at any TV.  Do

 

         23    not listen to anybody tell you what they learned about the case,

 

         24    and do no discuss the case or any of the facts with anyone

 

         25    else.  Do you all understand that?

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1            (Jurors nod heads.)

 

          2            THE COURT:  See you back here Monday morning at 9:30 and

 

          3    hopefully we will be able to present it to you by 2:00 o'clock

 

          4    anyway Monday afternoon.  Thank you so much for your patience,

 

          5    have a nice weekend.

 

          6            (The jury left the courtroom.)

 

          7            THE COURT:  All right, do we need to have a break before

 

          8    we go into this proffer?

 

          9            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Judge, we're ready.  Mr. Huseby is

 

         10    probably exhausted.  I'm not advocating for him, but he's been

 

         11    going at it the whole time when we've been --

 

         12            THE COURT:  You want to take a short break?

 

         13            MR. LAUGHRUN:  We're ready, whatever the Court's

 

         14    pleasure.

 

         15            THE COURT:  Do you want to take a short break before we

 

         16    do that, Dr. Cunningham's evidence you're going to proffer?

 

         17            MR. LAUGHRUN:  That's all.

 

         18            THE COURT:  Well, I mean, do you want to take a short

 

         19    break before that?

 

         20            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Whatever Your Honor --

 

         21            THE COURT:  How about the government?

 

         22            MR. CONRAD:  Let's go.

 

         23            THE COURT:  No from the government.  Ready to go?

 

         24            MR. CONRAD:  I would like to go forward now if we

 

         25    could.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1            THE COURT:  Okay.  Are you ready?

 

          2            THE COURT REPORTER:  Yes, sir.

 

          3            THE COURT:  In that case, let's go ahead.

 

          4            MR. LAUGHRUN:  I'm looking for him.

 

          5            THE COURT:  He is not going to testify now.  You said

 

          6    that you were going to proffer this evidence.

 

          7            MR. WILLIAMS:  We are going to put him on and ask him

 

          8    questions, Your Honor.

 

          9            THE COURT:  No, sir.

 

         10            MR. WILLIAMS:  So we can put it in the record.

 

         11            MR. CONRAD:  I thought we were going to proffer it.

 

         12            THE COURT:  I thought it was a proffer by you.  You want

 

         13    to do it now, fine.  If you don't want to do it, we'll do it

 

         14    tomorrow sometime.

 

         15            MR. WILLIAMS:  Okay, that's fine.

 

         16            THE COURT:  I'm not going to have going through the

 

         17    whole testimony on this witness because it's not going to add

 

         18    anything to this at all.

 

         19            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Judge, all we wanted to do was ask him

 

         20    his professional opinion of the PCL-R, why he thought the

 

         21    results were invalid, that's all.  Were not going through the

 

         22    whole testimony, no, sir, we have no intention of doing that.

 

         23            MR. CONRAD:  Your Honor, apparently Mr. Williams spent

 

         24    until 9:30 last night with him as we heard a few minutes ago.  I

 

         25    don't know why he couldn't proffer it right now.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1            THE COURT:  Proffer the evidence and let's go, one way

 

          2    or the other.

 

          3            MR. WILLIAMS:  Just to make the record clear, I'm not

 

          4    arguing with the Court, I'm just trying to make myself clear,

 

          5    Your Honor, is Your Honor refusing to allow us to recall

 

          6    Dr. Cunningham to ask him questions on the record?

 

          7            THE COURT:  That's exactly correct.  What I'm telling

 

          8    you to do and what I understood you were going to do was to

 

          9    proffer the evidence, the testimony that he is going to give.

 

         10            MR. WILLIAMS:  Dr. Cunningham will testify to the

 

         11    invalidity of the PCL-R test with regard -- with regard to its

 

         12    applicability to African Americans, that it's not been

 

         13    sufficiently standardized with regard to African Americans, that

 

         14    it's not been sufficiently standardized for the black population

 

         15    based on recognized literature, and has not been sufficiently

 

         16    standardized on an institutional population or sufficiently

 

         17    standardized in a population post middle age.

 

         18            He would also testify that it is an inappropriate test

 

         19    to use for a person such as Mark Barnette, my client.  He would

 

         20    also testify that once he received, though, the report of

 

         21    Drs. Grant and Duncan and learned of their reference to the

 

         22    PCL-R test, he did his own scoring to see what he would come up

 

         23    with using the same method that they used with regard to the

 

         24    scoring, and he would testify that he came up with a score of

 

         25    20.  That would be his testimony, which would -- in his opinion,

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    he would testify that Mr. Barnette was not a psychopath and did

 

          2    not meet the standards of the underlying opinion of a

 

          3    psychopath.  And he would testify that he knows of no other

 

          4    recent studies in those regards other than the study of a

 

          5    Dr. -- the article by Drs. Salekin, Rogers and Sewell that has

 

          6    been tendered into evidence as Defendant's Exhibit Number 63 and

 

          7    is not familiar with any other articles or research since that

 

          8    time.  Anything else?  64, I'm sorry, I think it's 64.

 

          9            THE COURT:  Well, whatever it is.

 

         10            MR. WILLIAMS:  Whatever it is.  Thank you, Your Honor.

 

         11            THE COURT:  You did a good job of it.  You summarized

 

         12    the whole thing in three minutes.

 

         13            All right, we are going to recess until tomorrow morning

 

         14    and we'll come back in here at, say, what time you want to

 

         15    start, 9:00, 9:30?

 

         16            MR. CONRAD:  Whatever the Court prefers.

 

         17            THE COURT:  See what time they say.  What time you want

 

         18    to start in the morning, 9:00 or 9:30?

 

         19            MR. WILLIAMS:  We're at the Court's pleasure, Your

 

         20    Honor.

 

         21            THE COURT:  Let's start at 9:00 o'clock and get through

 

         22    with it, in the jury room.

 

         23            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Judge, also for the record, I've

 

         24    discussed with Mark whether he wants to --

 

         25            THE COURT:  Oh, yes, I'm sorry, you're always able to

 

 

 

 

 

 

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          1    put that on.  What was the bench conference about?

 

          2            MR. LAUGHRUN:  My discussion with Mark, Judge, about the

 

          3    fact whether or not he wanted to be here tomorrow.  He says he

 

          4    does not and will waive his presence for the charge conference

 

          5    tomorrow.

 

          6            THE COURT:  Thank you, sir.

 

          7            MR. LAUGHRUN:  So we can do it in the jury room.

 

          8            THE COURT:  We also have had a couple of bench

 

          9    conferences.  You want to be sure to put those on the record, I

 

         10    think.

 

         11            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Judge, I don't think we've had any since

 

         12    the break.

 

         13            THE LAW CLERK:   You got them all on the record.

 

         14            THE COURT:  In any event, he waives any presence at the

 

         15    bench conferences we've had, is that correct?

 

         16            MR. LAUGHRUN:  Yes, sir, and for tomorrow also, to be

 

         17    clear.

 

         18            THE COURT:  All right, fine.  We'll see y'all in the

 

         19    morning at 9:00 o'clock.

 

         20            (Court in recess.)

 

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